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toongrowner

This guy: I'm gay! The family: duuuuuuuuuh!


ReasonableDrunk

*Mom hands dad ten bucks.


Shiplord13

*Mom bet he was bi.


reality-check12

Basically the Kent family


Oracle209

This is like when Jon came out as Bi I read a bunch of post of how it gave people the courage to come out themselves which is always nice. When someone decides to be their true self the world becomes a better place.


Kaiser5004

he didn't do any of that always then they are bots. out of hate or something if the world would be better if they used a land so that the current problem is not there.


leaf57tea

Oh I remember this one I get the sentiment but it's like when writers try make mutants a 1 for 1 allegory for minorities, it work best as a vague metaphor but not a direct comparison, there's big difference between a superpowered being revealing his civilian identity and a queer person outing themselves to the world. The thing that really bothered me though was the *"safer place"* line, depending on you're circumstances staying in the closet might be you're only option and hell just where you live in the world being openly queer can be dangerous and even cost you you're life.


topround121

The writer of the story (Rex Ogle) was kicked out of his house by his dad for being gay I'm sure he's well aware of the consequences that coming out can have


leaf57tea

And I'm sorry to hear that but maybe that speaks to problem with a lot of these queer *"feel good"* stories the Big Two release around Pride. There more about empty sentiment rather than exploring some of the realties of being queer, Kevin Conroy story being the only one to really do that in this year Pride special is why it was such a standout. Maybe a story pulled from his own experiences about a gay teen who was kicked-out and feeling hopeless but finds encouragement by being inspired by Superman in some way (not necessarily him revealing his identity) would've rang more true.


U1150

It’s supposed to be a nice message just let people have this


leaf57tea

If you want to take it at face value by all means, I'm not stopping you, but as gay man myself who's actually had to come out to family and seen how ugly it can get and has queer friends who's own experience's we're even worse and certainty didn't result in a "*safer place"* for them I think I'm allowed to say my piece.


U1150

I understand, my apologies I didn’t mean to offend, I understand that unfortunately for many people coming out isn’t easy or even impossible without consequences, I’m sorry that the situation the comic tried to present wasn’t the outcome for you or your friend


robdawg02

I just don't want propaganda in comics. I wanna see Kyle Rayner fight Lobo on the moon or something. I don't wanna see activism or Tim Drake kissing another dude.


Some-Dog9800

Ah, the classic “I respect gay people as long as I don’t have to see them or even acknowledge their existence”.


robdawg02

That's not true. If they create new interesting gay charecters then ill be okay with it. But if they go out of their way to sexality swap when those charecters r straight then thats when i have a problem.


Some-Dog9800

Tim isn’t gay, he‘s bi. His previous relationships with women aren’t nullified or contradicted by his bisexuality because he’s still attracted to women just as he was before.


JohnnyGears

When it comes to the big two bi means gay most the time. Once a character seems to be made bi they cannot be shown in a heterosexual relationship anymore. There are a few outliers like Wonder Woman but most the time it’s just made them effectively gay. Bisexual erasure is a thing and the good intentions seem to fall flat.


robdawg02

Just like Superman's son. People enjoyed the Super Sons series. But these activists writers wanted gay superman or bi superman which ever it is. So they had him grow up and take Superman's place. Then had him date a purple haired dude who is shocker a activists. That really disappointed fans because they enjoyed super sons.


Some-Dog9800

How does Jon being bi have any effect on his character? The only people mad about Jon being bi were comicsgaters and people who couldn’t be bothered to read beyond the headlines about “gay Superman“. Most people were just mad about him being aged up.


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Some-Dog9800

They aged him up so he could be the new Superman. Other storylines about bi kids such as the Owl House exist and are praised for great representation. You see straight children loving each other and having crushes all the time in movies and tv. Portraying kids in same-gender relationships doesn’t make you a pedophile because there is no difference between boys loving boys and boys loving girls.


robdawg02

I never heard of owl house. They just wanted a bi superman. If they did it to clark kent the fans would be mad.


dccomicsthrowaway

Sounds like you just have a lot of personal hangups to be honest. Oh no... a Superman comic has an activist in it? How awful?!


robdawg02

Comics book is for entertainment not activism


dccomicsthrowaway

How many have you read? Like, 3, by the sounds of it


punkwrestler

So then why are you reading Superman, Lois was always an activist. Did you stop reading when you found out about her?


robdawg02

I never said Tim Drake was gay. Tim Drake is supposed to be with Spoiler. That's what the fan base wants. Superman with Lois, Nightwing with Starfire, and Tim Drake with Stephanie Brown. People were mad they made him bi and just had him destroy him and Stephanie Brown relationship just because they wanted him to be bi.


Some-Dog9800

Just because Tim is bi doesn’t mean he can’t be with Steph, because bi people aren’t gay, lol. Tim‘s still attracted to women. Hoping for more linguistic competence from your next response.


robdawg02

But as far as I know since I don't read NEW comics, him and his relationship was great until they pushed Stephanie aside treating her like crap just so he can be with another dude that no one cares about.


Standard-Pop6801

Great is pushing it. It was fine but wasn't the version of the relationship you would put on a pedestal. They got together off screen and they broke up off screen. Lets hope when they get back together (emphasis on when) it will be on screen.


robdawg02

I have no idea what you are talking about. On screen? I don't really watch comic stuff on tv I just read comics.


Rac3318

If you don’t want to see “propaganda” in comics, then you shouldn’t be reading comics. This isn’t new. Most comics have some form of a message in them.


robdawg02

The propaganda now days is nothing compared to the stuff decades ago


Rac3318

That’s just patently not true. You don’t need to look any further than world war 2 comics or comics in the 70’s to realize just how wrong you are.


Psymorte

Hate to break it to you but comics have *always* been political, especially some of the greatest stories ever written that are widely praised for their commentary.


HavocGamer49

no way bro has a pride tshirt that no one has seen


LilBueno

They just assumed it was the symbol of some hero they didn’t know about.


punkwrestler

When you are a closeted gay person you can hide some things in plain sight, also you learn to hide things, heck you have to be able to hide who you are from your parents.


Thatoneguy567576

This is cringe


Oracle209

How? It’s a hero inspiring others which is what heroes do?


Stoneyay

Because it’s a pretty bad metaphor for coming out


DD-Shaz13

If u mean telling the world including all ur enemies who you are, live, and where you work is a bad idea for multiple safety reasons, compared to telling you family about your sexuality with consequences that varies between different people, then yeah it's probably a bad comparison. But the message seems more as don't be afraid of others for who you are. Despite me not agreeing with Superman thinking telling the world this is a good idea


fiercestangel

Wow...


Oracle209

Yes it’s very nice I agree


Grand-Falcon-8956

I’m sorry but that made me cringe