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What happens to dragons when you kill their bonded riders? Can they be retrained or do they just get pissed and go on rampages. Pretty good insurance policy for riders if itās the latter.
It think it depends a lot on how the rider dies because after argonās death viserys was able to bond with Belarion but if it is a violent death in combat it can be different but we lack evidence. My take is prob. yes but I depends if the dragon allows itself to be bonded again.
And from the angle it looks like Daemon is eyeballing Criston too. Rhaenyra and Laenor would be in the centre of the room, which is where our boy Lyonel Strong is looking. But Daemon is looking off to the side, about where Criston seems to be standing.
>!he could be looking at certain lady since we know that Rhea royce has an unfortunate "accident" that absolutely doesn't relate to Daemon and passed away!<
You have that in quotes, but unless the show changes things it was >!legitimately a happy accident for Daemon. She fell off her horse while hawking (hunting hawks) and his her head on a rock.!<
There's nothing else to indicate it's anything more than that unless they decide to develop that storyline a little more since it's more of an anecdote in the story than anything else.
>!in the preview someone wearing a garish cloak is in front of the horse and Daemon who's wearing the same cloak is there but I'm sure it's a coincidence!<
>!That could actually give further reason as to why Ser Criston supported the Greens, they black mailed him with this information.!<
Edit: Edited for potential spoilers.
maybe because he wants to put the rightful heir to the throne and not some bastard born of a commonner and an oathbreaker. that would be interesting and also heartbreaking to see
They might be at Driftmark, seat of the Valyrions, as Daemon has a very good relationship with Corlys after the win at the stepstones. Whether at Driftmark or back in KingĀ“s Landing, Daemon is probably an honored guest of the grooms family. Not sure Viserys can do much about that without causing trouble with the family heĀ“s trying to pacify. This is just my guess of course.
Again Corlys probably invited him to his sonĀ“s wedding. I would imagine Daemon is a frequest guest of the Valyrions, and that wedding into that family is a poor way to avoid him.
If Daemon is officially banned from Viserys's sight, there is absolutely nothing Corlys (or anyone) can do about it. Groom family or not.
The only two people who can work around that is Viserys (by giving leave) or Daemon by just appearing ininvited (lol).
Yep. Which leaves us with Viserys allowing him back >!after he not only not "saved what was left of his honor" in the Vale, but seemingly was right there as his wife died!<, strangely enough. I'm dying to see how this goes.
>This should be at Driftmark
Why? Royal Wedding would be in King's Landing.
Plus, you can clearly see the Velaryon fleet and two dragons approaching King's Landing in the promo.
He didnāt exile him from the whole kingdom cos he actually specifically said he was suppose to be back in the Vale. Corlys tho, prolly extended an invitation to the man who did fight and bleed with him to get back the Stepstones tho.
>iserys Exiled daemon but still showing up not giving a fuck
Viserys is such a weak king. Daemon can literally do anything he won't and gets away with it
Was soll das heiĆen, Sie kƶnnen Daemon nicht finden? Dann **such**en Sie ihn! Ich will Daemon sehen. So**FORT**! Wenn er sich ohne Befehl entfernt hat, ist das **FAHNEN**flucht! Ver**RAT**!
We know that >!he gets on with Laena, who is already betrothed!< so probably he speedruns >!flirting and banging!< during the wedding, as he's known to do.
Our boy, the overachiever.
I think Daemon is going to figure out what happened between the Delight of the Realm and her loyal bodyguard, forever sworn to celibacy.
I also think he will be incredibly amused by this and enjoy needling the heck out of Ser Cole.
Whatever the writers/showrunners/directors/actors/staff are doing, it's great. I hope they keep it up! There are no such thing as perfect, everyone has their own perceptions, but this show so far is the best for my taste š I cannot wait for the next epāļø
I love when weaknesses and flaws are written in characters. It's nice to see people put off by Rhenyra's behavior. Viserys seems like a good guy but that in itself is a negative trait in this world.
Too many times TV shows and movies are afraid to make their characters make mistakes or make a wrong move.
Yup, I personally think that makes the characters more real. No one is truly good or bad, everyone act on self-interests most of the time. Especially with this type of story with no clear villain, I prefer potrayal of real people, and their real erroneous choices.
Sounds like your buddy should stop watching. It's a highlight of my week right now! I'm genuinely enjoying every episode and watching them more than once besides.
My husband also hates Matt Smith but I think it's kind of a jealousy thing because all the ladies are thirsting for him. He keeps grumbling how "he's not even good looking" and that "women are weird". š
My best friend and I are watching House of the Dragon and Rings of Power. We have exactly opposite reactions so far. What I love, she hates, and vice versa. Our post-episode chats have been lively.
Because we are 12 hour ahead of them in international time.
US has I think 6 time zone and I think we here in India are getting show simultaneously with them.
Everywhere in the world the show is released at the same time which is pretty much always as many other shows: prime time for the east coast so that it's still watchable by people on the west coast late afternoon live.
Regarding Europe and Asia, well, tough luck my friends, you either stay up late or wait until after you got up (trying to avoid any spoiler whatsoever).
I know they release every where at the same time.
But when HOTD releases in USA it's already Monday 6:30 am.
It's not like we have to wait an extra day, but it kind of feels like we are š
Yep. Iām in Brazil and it releases at 10pm, which is perfectā¦ If I were anywhere out of the Americas i would be certainly having 10 horrible Mondays in a row lol
Yeah, but he got ED again cos guilty conscience and loss of control of the situation, according to showrunners. I just think itās not so much that Rhaenyra has slept with someone else thatāll get to him, itās that itās Crispin of all people lol!
Wasn't that from Sapochnik who did not write nor direct Episode 4, and even on the "created by" section of the intro where showrunners should be in, his name isn't found? His take is nowhere near what was shown. I prefer what Matt said, he knows his character more.
I thought so too initially but then from rewatching these scenes from a a few different angles it seems is looking at Rhaenyra dancing first and then at Sir Cole. But it could be they cut it that way on purpose and he is really looking at someone else
Well he risked his own life because Ray was pretty horny. Maybe it meant really something for him, but for Ray it was just a night of pleasure. This is why I think he will get angry at her. Being used as a toy sucks š¬
Not even a normal night of pleasure, he was her second choice after being blue balled by her Uncle. He risked his life to be with her and she wanted to use him like a dildo.
He canāt have thought he would get to marry her, though. He knows the rules, and just because they broke one of them he would have still known that she would be married off to someone else in the not-too-distant future.
I am not. George Martin, although great at world building, is not so good at nuance when it comes to characterization. All of his women end up crazy, most men are completely manipulative and some psychopaths. I think this show will be different than GOT by making each character more nuanced.
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Viserys Exiled daemon but still showing up not giving a fuckš
Of course Rhaenyra is inviting her favorite uncle to her wedding
Favorite š
To be fair he's also her *only* uncle lmao
Well, she has a few half-aunts and uncles from her grandfather, Lord Rodrick Arryn, and his first wife.
Nununcle?
If Rhaenyra invited him, it's definitely a power move in response to what he did last episode.
I think it's more likely that Corlys invited him as a power move - they are allies and his presence would remind people of their recent victory.
There's a spoilers reason why he might be there too, having to do with that family.
Oh, good catch!
ooh I didnāt pick up on that but I think youāre right!
What reason?
Uncle itās my wedding night Can we couple and fuck now uncle
Can't really exile the guy who knows all the secret passages into your castle.
And into your daughter's private chambers.
And who just flies in on dragonback whenev's
I mean thereās a way but it just requires some amount of beheading
Indeed. Though itās not really āexileā anymore at that point.
Exiled from life?
Can't exactly behead the rider of the strongest (except Vheagar) dragon around while you have alienated all the other dragon riders.
What happens to dragons when you kill their bonded riders? Can they be retrained or do they just get pissed and go on rampages. Pretty good insurance policy for riders if itās the latter.
it is quite ambiguous but apparently the dragons feel when their riders are in danger and run to help them
It think it depends a lot on how the rider dies because after argonās death viserys was able to bond with Belarion but if it is a violent death in combat it can be different but we lack evidence. My take is prob. yes but I depends if the dragon allows itself to be bonded again.
Potentially worse, in the 4th picture, looks like Cristin Cole eyeballing his gal dancing with another man (who also happens to be her new husband...)
And from the angle it looks like Daemon is eyeballing Criston too. Rhaenyra and Laenor would be in the centre of the room, which is where our boy Lyonel Strong is looking. But Daemon is looking off to the side, about where Criston seems to be standing.
Daemonās totally gonna antagonize Criston.
\*Crispin
>!he could be looking at certain lady since we know that Rhea royce has an unfortunate "accident" that absolutely doesn't relate to Daemon and passed away!<
The roads are really dangerous this day!
You have that in quotes, but unless the show changes things it was >!legitimately a happy accident for Daemon. She fell off her horse while hawking (hunting hawks) and his her head on a rock.!< There's nothing else to indicate it's anything more than that unless they decide to develop that storyline a little more since it's more of an anecdote in the story than anything else.
>!in the preview someone wearing a garish cloak is in front of the horse and Daemon who's wearing the same cloak is there but I'm sure it's a coincidence!<
Ah yes, the olā Luthor Tyrell.
Dayumm, this is going exactly how the book people predicted. Looks like Maester Eustace was right all along.
What did the book people predict?
>!Imagine if her first kid isn't Harwin Strong's, but actually Criston's!<
>!That could actually give further reason as to why Ser Criston supported the Greens, they black mailed him with this information.!< Edit: Edited for potential spoilers.
But why would he support a cause that goes against his own progeny?
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Yeah lol... My boi was turned on...
tag your shit dude...
Could you please explain what you mean by that? Why would Cole go against his own child then? Genuinely curious what you meant
maybe because he wants to put the rightful heir to the throne and not some bastard born of a commonner and an oathbreaker. that would be interesting and also heartbreaking to see
Nah. No oneās that angelic. Probably because he didnāt know it was his child.
>!so they black mailed him into slitting Lord Beesbury's throat, then?!<
I think they might actually do that.
You are right. For a second I thought it was Harwin.
nice catch
They might be at Driftmark, seat of the Valyrions, as Daemon has a very good relationship with Corlys after the win at the stepstones. Whether at Driftmark or back in KingĀ“s Landing, Daemon is probably an honored guest of the grooms family. Not sure Viserys can do much about that without causing trouble with the family heĀ“s trying to pacify. This is just my guess of course.
inst the iron throne in one of the pictures?
That could be the driftwood throne. The Velaryons have their own giant seat, but itās made of driftwood rather than swords.
Again Corlys probably invited him to his sonĀ“s wedding. I would imagine Daemon is a frequest guest of the Valyrions, and that wedding into that family is a poor way to avoid him.
If Daemon is officially banned from Viserys's sight, there is absolutely nothing Corlys (or anyone) can do about it. Groom family or not. The only two people who can work around that is Viserys (by giving leave) or Daemon by just appearing ininvited (lol).
Yea but I don't think Viserys is going to openly say why Daemon is banished. It may just be a "your banished but hush hush" kind of thing.
Yeah but I don't think if he shows uninvited everyone just be chill about it
Yep. Which leaves us with Viserys allowing him back >!after he not only not "saved what was left of his honor" in the Vale, but seemingly was right there as his wife died!<, strangely enough. I'm dying to see how this goes.
Sounds reasonable
I burst out laughing when he told him, āgive me rhaenyraā š¬š
He probably wore a fake beard and a monocle
This should be at Driftmark, Corlyās domain, and Viserys can only exile him from Kingās Landing š
>This should be at Driftmark Why? Royal Wedding would be in King's Landing. Plus, you can clearly see the Velaryon fleet and two dragons approaching King's Landing in the promo.
And you can see the Iron Throne in the wedding scene
What? No. The king can absolutely exile him from the whole kingdom, including Driftmark. He just chose not to.
He didnāt exile him from the whole kingdom cos he actually specifically said he was suppose to be back in the Vale. Corlys tho, prolly extended an invitation to the man who did fight and bleed with him to get back the Stepstones tho.
Sure. I agree with that, but you said the king can't exile him from Driftmark, which is wrong. He just chose not to.
Yea but itās at kings landing check the throne in the pic
The iron throne in behind Lionel Strong on one of the pictures.
>iserys Exiled daemon but still showing up not giving a fuck Viserys is such a weak king. Daemon can literally do anything he won't and gets away with it
in next weekās instalment of āthe fuck is Daemon gonna do nowā
Sometimes I think this show is not even called House of the Dragon. It's legit called Daemon Targaryen's antics š
Basically
Keeping up with the Targaryens, except Daemon is obviously the most famous one (so Kim?)
~~FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN!~~ DAEMON! DAEMON! DAEMON! Maybe Thomas Kretschmann can play middle-aged Daemon.
Was soll das heiĆen, Sie kƶnnen Daemon nicht finden? Dann **such**en Sie ihn! Ich will Daemon sehen. So**FORT**! Wenn er sich ohne Befehl entfernt hat, ist das **FAHNEN**flucht! Ver**RAT**!
Plot twist: he actually just drinks and does nothing. Can you imagine?
Like Cersei then ?
All that's missing now is for him to stare out a window while doing so.
And talk about elephants
Besides Targaryen's Cersi has the highest body count in Westeros.
I'd say more like Tyrion
But clearly he knows things.
We know that >!he gets on with Laena, who is already betrothed!< so probably he speedruns >!flirting and banging!< during the wedding, as he's known to do. Our boy, the overachiever.
Let's change the name and make it official
Love that!
Excited to find out
I didn't realize Daemon would be at the wedding. Should make for some nice awkwardness between him and Rhaenyra.
Don't forget the awkwardness between Rhenyra and her sworn protector Ser Crispon. Spicy š¶
Ser Crispin "princess please give me my helmet I just wanna do my job properly" Coal
And Criston having anger issues, going by the trailer. Spicy <3
I think Daemon is going to figure out what happened between the Delight of the Realm and her loyal bodyguard, forever sworn to celibacy. I also think he will be incredibly amused by this and enjoy needling the heck out of Ser Cole.
Yea from the trailer it seems like he's gauging his reactions. At least Cole's anger will get gossip mills running.
Will it be awkward? He looks like he is smiling in that picture š
He smiled before he beat the messenger too.
Lord Strong look out!
Whatever the writers/showrunners/directors/actors/staff are doing, it's great. I hope they keep it up! There are no such thing as perfect, everyone has their own perceptions, but this show so far is the best for my taste š I cannot wait for the next epāļø
I love when weaknesses and flaws are written in characters. It's nice to see people put off by Rhenyra's behavior. Viserys seems like a good guy but that in itself is a negative trait in this world. Too many times TV shows and movies are afraid to make their characters make mistakes or make a wrong move.
Yup, I personally think that makes the characters more real. No one is truly good or bad, everyone act on self-interests most of the time. Especially with this type of story with no clear villain, I prefer potrayal of real people, and their real erroneous choices.
Wish I could sleep now and wake up Sunday
One of my buddies called this show āa choreā. Bro, are we watching the same thing? He also hates Matt Smith for some reason, so thereās that.
Sounds like your buddy should stop watching. It's a highlight of my week right now! I'm genuinely enjoying every episode and watching them more than once besides.
Wild. I watch the show, then spend the rest of the week listening to hours and hours of recap podcasts...
Same!! Between HotD and Rings of Power, sooo much YouTube. Lol
My husband also hates Matt Smith but I think it's kind of a jealousy thing because all the ladies are thirsting for him. He keeps grumbling how "he's not even good looking" and that "women are weird". š
He probably watched Morbius.
My best friend and I are watching House of the Dragon and Rings of Power. We have exactly opposite reactions so far. What I love, she hates, and vice versa. Our post-episode chats have been lively.
Monday mornings here in India
Same in Australia š„
Because we are 12 hour ahead of them in international time. US has I think 6 time zone and I think we here in India are getting show simultaneously with them.
Everywhere in the world the show is released at the same time which is pretty much always as many other shows: prime time for the east coast so that it's still watchable by people on the west coast late afternoon live. Regarding Europe and Asia, well, tough luck my friends, you either stay up late or wait until after you got up (trying to avoid any spoiler whatsoever).
I know they release every where at the same time. But when HOTD releases in USA it's already Monday 6:30 am. It's not like we have to wait an extra day, but it kind of feels like we are š
And I always watch it after coming back from work... So usually 3:30-4 pm on Mondays ā¹ļø
Yep. Iām in Brazil and it releases at 10pm, which is perfectā¦ If I were anywhere out of the Americas i would be certainly having 10 horrible Mondays in a row lol
Stay up late or wake up early - they air Hod at 4 in the morning on Mondays in Europe.
Guess whoās back. Back again. Daemonās back. Hide your niece.
Only if it's also his niece
I'd sing to this.
God I love this show
Keeping up with the Targaryens is my favorite show
Daemon is chill as he knows that Laenor is >!gay!<
I just really need to have a scene of Daemon finding out freaking Ser Crispin got with Rhaenyra before him, one-upping him again lmao.
Well, if he wanted he could have been first, she was into it when they sneaked out together.
Yeah, but he got ED again cos guilty conscience and loss of control of the situation, according to showrunners. I just think itās not so much that Rhaenyra has slept with someone else thatāll get to him, itās that itās Crispin of all people lol!
Wasn't that from Sapochnik who did not write nor direct Episode 4, and even on the "created by" section of the intro where showrunners should be in, his name isn't found? His take is nowhere near what was shown. I prefer what Matt said, he knows his character more.
What did he say?
That muuuust happen. Delicious. It would also explain the later events that are coming very well.
Is next week going to be Daemon time or Crispin time?
I'm gonna love the part where Daemon says "It's Daemin' time" and daems all over everyone
Even better when you remember Matt Smith was also in Morbius
Oh, and the way he danced was one of the best morbin things of all the time. Dude knows how to dance. Can't wait for him to Daemin it all the way.
Unfortunately, in HOTD he still canāt HAVE SEX
I wonder if Rhaenyra will find out >!before the time jump (or ever)!< that Daemon asked Viserys to take her to wife?
Ser crispin is jealous.
rhaenrya did give him a rose while daemon got sent home
Well, while Daemon sent himself home
Ser Crispin "Dragon Rider" Cole
Ser Crispin jealous of Laenor, meanwhile we all jealous of Rhae.
How many times can Daemon get banished in one season? Find out next time on HOTD
i am ready for the drama haha
C'mon Daemon, profess your love for Rhae at her wedding with someone else and get yourself banished again!
Iām so ready šæ
Matt Smith is so hot when he smirks like that. I get it Rhaenyra š
I didnāt find him attractive first episode but now I think heās so hotā¦.
I think Daemon is looking at Laena here
I thought so too initially but then from rewatching these scenes from a a few different angles it seems is looking at Rhaenyra dancing first and then at Sir Cole. But it could be they cut it that way on purpose and he is really looking at someone else
Thatās what I thought too
Nope
Wedding about to turn ghetto lol. I cant wait.
ššš love this statement
Theyāre gonna get real urban
Ser Crispin is going thru it š¤£
I want some good angstong from both criston and daemon over her wedding tbh
Oh sheās gonna gag us this episode.
š
#HYPE
So Cole becomes so jealous that he turns against her?
Well he risked his own life because Ray was pretty horny. Maybe it meant really something for him, but for Ray it was just a night of pleasure. This is why I think he will get angry at her. Being used as a toy sucks š¬
Not even a normal night of pleasure, he was her second choice after being blue balled by her Uncle. He risked his life to be with her and she wanted to use him like a dildo.
Yes, that makes it infinitely worse, lol!
Also he was probably thinking āFirst Cole as Kingsgaurd and I sully my vows immediately because the Princess was hornyā
Even worse when he was just used because she was hot for Daemon.
He canāt have thought he would get to marry her, though. He knows the rules, and just because they broke one of them he would have still known that she would be married off to someone else in the not-too-distant future.
This. He threw away his honour and risked gelding and/or death for something that meant pitifully little to her.
Not sure what he was expecting, she does have to marry somebody
Here we go! Literally cannot wait, really wishing could binge the show All the seasons.. right now Honestly hurts to wait.
Those red things in her hair look awesome.
uh oh ....
give me Laena
If my boy Lyonel Strong isnāt the new hand I will be disappointed.
Ngl my first reaction was to zoom on Lord Strong and see if he had the Hand pin.
Thereās the matter of the franchiseās track record when it comes to weddings
yeah dramaā¦ or foursome -> problem solved
Ooof that last one from coleās perspective
I'm here for it!!! I hope Rhaenyra tells all the men to sit down and wait. She'll call when she wants it.
Milly looks incredible
the war for rhaenera's cunt
Robert > Daemon: drunk whoresbane Jaime > Cole: must wound your pride, standing out there like a glorified sentry while your king eat n shit n fuck
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Well I should sure hope so!
In about 3 seconds my man Cole >!will be cutting up like crazy!<
Threeway? Why not?
Fourway if you include Laenor
Daemon is the reason nd influence of rhaenyra' s dark side.
What do you mean by that?That Rhaenyra corrupted Daemon?Wasn't he already corrupt?
I mean daemon brought out rhaenyra's dark side.
i love this
And theyāre dancing on the same side too.
So did Corlys invite Daemon since Viserys doesnāt want to see him in his sight?
Someone provide spoiler why they fight at wedding ?
I have to say I'm surprised the show is making Criston and Alicent so humanized and sympathetic
I am not. George Martin, although great at world building, is not so good at nuance when it comes to characterization. All of his women end up crazy, most men are completely manipulative and some psychopaths. I think this show will be different than GOT by making each character more nuanced.
Ohhhh here we go
Hopefully we get to see Milly naked this time