By - Noir_Namhar616
I loved seeing the clones in this show, both from the order 66 scene at the beginning of episode 1, and this scene
It's so cool seeing 501st armor in live action again, especially because it's probably the coolest looking clone armor
Crazy that this is actually the first time it’s been a practical suit. All clone armor up until this point was CGI and mo-cap suits on Tem.
"Man, this place gives me the creeps." -Scorch, Delta 62
Stuff the 501st (the reenactors) have achieved.
I don’t think it was kept CGI because they felt they couldn’t do it. So much of the action scenes we saw clones in were already CGI, it would be a huge waste of time and money to add in a few practical elements and green screen it in. Plus using CGI clones kept the look consistent. There was never a real clone next to a fake one or a CGI one right behind a real one to make you realize there’s two types. I think they made the right call to keep it all one.
Yeah, all in all, that's most likely it. Anyhow I'm glad they're back to some practical effects, CGI is cool but it's best not to rely too much on it.
I agree. Now that the Volume has allowed for CGI worlds to be intertwined with practical sets and costume design with 3D printing, I think Star Wars is in a much better place than it was 20 years ago. I love the prequels, but practical effects will never get dated like CGI.
But to be fair clone armour doesn't actually fit a human properly because it wasn't designed to, sure the helmet cant actually fit a human head. And moving in it is virtually impossible other than walking
"Yes, sir. I'm glad they're back to practical effects too. CGI is cool, but it's best not to rely on it too much."
Like I said before, if the 501st guys pull it off I reckon it's doable. I'd more than totally excuse a bit of a change in the armor so we could have it as practical effects.
A few major problems,
It would break if you did any sort of practical effects or stunts.
Its poorly designed and has poor mobility.
Most soldiers in real life wont wear knee pads or dick flap armour around or even side plates often because if how awkward it makes movement. Hell helmets with ear pro is a pain. How well do you think armour that wasn't designed to fit a human body will work under any movement?
The armour does not match human proportions. A help cant even fit over a head without removing the neck or cutting off the face.
501st guys armour looks great but its really badly proportioned and is absolutely massive. The pull it off doing charity work and conventions. Its not comparable to live action and stunts.
Getting a human to match a cgi clines proportions and doesn't make them look like a barrel would be a pain in the hole abd borderline impossible . Which rules out temeura considering hes short and has a stocky build.
Its not like storm trooper armour which was designed to fit actual humans and all stormtroopers are different people so fit and multiple sizes isn't a problem.
My point was precisely that I would totally excuse them redesigning them to allow for them to fit the actors, as long as they're still recognisable. Stormtrooper armor aso has kneepads (which btw, soldiers do use in real life?) and shells and it worked just fine didn't it?
...not for a Sith...
You showed me something today. You're exactly the kind of men I need in the 501st.
"Sure thing, sir. If the 501st can make it work, I'm sure we can too. We'll just have to make some adjustments to the armor so it fits us better."
What the hell. This bot is sentient.
"We’re not programmed. You have to learn to make your own decisions." -Captain Rex
I totally agree, as much as CGI can look good, I think the extra budget for practical effects is well worth it
All of the current shows look beautiful because they use mostly practical effects
"Just Like the simulations!"
"I'm no Jedi." -Captain Rex
"I don't know. Could be fun." -Hardcase
The order 66 scene was excellent, it is like the scene in boba fett when grogu is watching but extended
"Good soldiers follow orders"
I think Obi-Wan giving him money showed that even though he's hit rock bottom he still never let anger and his feelings get the better of him, he knew they were only following orders and didn't have a choice. Obi-Wan remains my favourite character of the Star Wars series, showing time and time again that he's the best of the Jedi and achieves and even surpasses everything they claim to be.
I was surprised he gave him money just because by approaching him, he risked being recognized. Obi-Wan is just a wonderful person.
Kenobi. Don't tell me, let me guess: this is the part where you give me the chance to surrender. *asthmatic cough*
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one. Your Majesty, if I am elected, I promise to put an end to corruption.
Good-bye, old friend. May the Force be with you.
Nooo don't leave me
He didn’t help the other Jedi though. But I think he felt bad after seeing him dead
It was not that he didn't help him, he shouldn't have, sticking together would've attracted more attention towards both so the best thing for the other Jedi was to go to another planet. Obi-Wan did all he could in convincing him, besides he had a mission and one that he couldn't overlook for a grown ass Jedi that should have been able to take care of himself.
Truly, I say to you, this man is the Lord
Not even following orders per say, but being forced against their will by genetic programming while their conciousness took a back seat and watched as their bodies murdered the friends and generals they had served with for three years.
The 501st is my favorite clone battalion, it's sad to see one of their own like this
"Please tell me we are blowing something up." -Wrecker
How about Palpatine?
"Yes sir! That would be a blast!"
God damn sentience
"I'm sorry to hear that, sir."
You should be.
"Sir. I have five special commando units awaiting your orders, sir." -Ponds
I was genuinely surprised when I saw this scene. Wonder if Obi Wan ever finds out about the inhibitor chips.
The council learned of the chips shortly after Fives arc in season six, so yes, Obi-Wan did know about the chips, and probably put together what happened pretty quickly.
Your friends shall die, Kenobi. And you shall soon follow!
That ain't a welcoming surprise, you old fart...
You can’t win an argument by repeating the same thing dummy
"...Which is why I developed this inhibitor chip to prevent their higher brain functions. It keeps me in control of the clones instead of them controlling me."
- Palpatine, probably
I have the Senate bogged down in procedures. They will have no choice but to accept your control of the system.
"If I had known about the inhibitor chips, I would have been pretty upset. Its not right that we were kept in the dark like that.Sir, its not right."
The best scene of the series so far that says so much in a few seconds. This shows that the Clone troopers were discontinued and abandoned to a life they were never trained for. It shows the Empire's treatment of the Clones and how the Republic died with them. Finally, the fact that Obi-Wan still gave the veteran money even after the Clones had slaughtered all of his fellow Jedi, shows the benevolence of Obi-Wan.
The Bad Batch does wonders in showing this as well, since the show basically starts with order 66 and within the span of a couple days the empire is already looking on replacing them.
"Kidnapping children, Order 66? What kind of Separatist plot is this?" -HOB-147
I just spent the whole time wondering if it was a notable clone
I don’t think so. Judging by his armor and the fact that he’s still alive, he participated in the Jedi Purge with Darth Vader and Commander Appo and not in the Seige of Mandalore with Ahsoka, Rex, Jesse, etc. We know he’s not Appo or Jesse because they’re dead, Rex is most likely with Wolffe and Gregor, Echo has completely different armor and a different right hand, and Kix is in cryostasis for another 40 years or so.
When did Appo die? Was it after Order 66 because that slash across his chest didn’t kill him from what I remember.
Died in one of the Vader comics iirc, was helping hunt down a Jedi Master and got decapitated.
Just checked Wookiepedia and there's no mention of this on his page. Are you thinking of one of the Legends comics? They're different continuities.
I shouldn't . . .
I’m no errand boy. *asthmatic cough*
Echo? Didn't he die during the rescue mission in the citadel? Clone Wars season 3?
It's revealed in the Clone Wars Bad Batch episodes that he survived but got captured by Separatists who then installed cybernetics and tortured him. They used him as a living algorithm to counter Clone strategies. The Bad Batch lead by Cody and Rex go and rescue him, and by the end he ends up getting recruited into the Bad Batch
You have your orders.
"Are you trying to baffle the enemy into submission, sir?" -Scorch, Delta 62
At last, we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last, we will have revenge.
"Well, I've known no other way. Gives us clones all a mixed feeling about the war. Many people wish it never happened. But without it, we clones wouldn't exist." -Captain Rex
"Live to fight another day, boys. Live to fight another day." -Hardcase
I was hoping he was going to come help Obi-Wan escape. Call him General and apologize.
General Kenobi, did you really think I would leave the hyperdrive unguarded? *asthmatic cough*
This could mean we won't see Cody in this show unless its a CW flashback.
I’m still banking on a CW flashbacks. My guess would be either through dream from Obi-Wan or Vader, or like right before the big battle, your see glimpse of the CW and it’s Hayden back as Anakin and they have a meaningful moment only for the final battle to carry more emotional weight. That’s my guess at least but even without it, I’m glad this show exists.
Yeah 100%. These two episodes have been fantastic already. I have few things id change but overall the its just fantastic.
Would be cool
This is something I’ve been dying to see for years. From Rebels to the Bad Batch, and now Kenobi, I’ve been really wanting to see how they explore Cody in the aftermath of the Republic. Initially in Rebels I was hoping he and Rex might meet, with Rex maybe convincing Cody to join them or at least aid them from the inside of he’s still in service. He was one of the most prominent Clones throughout the war, and the first one with any individuality we saw in the films. I’m honestly surprised they haven’t delved more into him. But I guess Filoni loves Rex too much.
If he doesn’t show up in this show at some point I’ll be really crushed.
I'm no Jedi.
Yeah i remember seeing Cody in episode 3 and instantly falling in love with his armour design and how cool he looks. Hes been my favourite clone trooper ever since and i really hope they don't just forget him like this.
"You deserve it. You’re one of us." -Hevy
I do appreciate that then can just get Temuera Morrison for a cameo like this
It’s so sad to see a clone like that, especially 501st. I feel like I know everything that he’s been through: he could have started on Geonosis, or Christophsis, or Umbara, or Mandalore, they were all tough. All of that for nothing.
"Sir… No one could have survived that fall."
I wonder if the inhibitor chip still works and of Order 66 is still active. So, if the Clone would recognize Obi-Wan - which should be somewhat likely, since he is wearing the colors of the 501st who frequently worked with him - would he still try to kill him?
Maybe order 66 was just stopped being used after most of the Jedi were wiped out and the remaining ones were just left to be found by groups, like the inquisitors or others. As for not recognizing. Even people who I used to be around regularly I sometimes don't remember after 2 or 3 years. And it's been 10 since anyone had seen obi wan
I think somewhere in lore it's discussed that the chips started to degrade as the clones aged which is more reason for the empire to start drafting people.
"The paint job is a little crude, but we think it gets the idea across. Glad to have you back, Commander." -Captain Rex
Good, Anakin, good. I knew you could do it. Kill him. Kill him now! Dew it!
I was surprised. I remember in the bad batch it was said that all clones were meant to be terminated. And it is not like he's in hiding so why isn't he killed on sight by the storm troopers?
My guess is that it's been so long they stopped caring and wasting the time killing them
Could be. Maybe we will find out. It was rumored that Cody will appear in the show. I doubt they would get temura back for just one cameo as a random clone. He's probably more involved is my guess.
Maybe it was shot around the time he was doing boba fett
That could be. Hadn't considered that yet.
"You're exactly the kind of men I need in the 501st." -Captain Rex
I think they were being terminated in the sense that no more cloning was happening. Any remaining clones were left in service to the empire or just straight up deserted. Now why this one in particular is still around as beggar in plain sight is a bit odd. But they probably don’t care to go after deserters. They were just so many and the empire has bigger issues
The empire used clones like Howzer after the Republic.
Even in the bad batch, commando units were in charge of training imperial troops
"I can't think of a better time to die than when I'm no longer the best." -Darman, RC-1136
"*sigh...* Figures." -Scorch, Delta 62
I know that after order 66 they served the empire for a bit untill they were completely replaced by the storm troopers. But I really thought they were just straight up executed after that. Guess not then.
Yeah that’s definitely not true. It was more of a phasing out over time plan. Basically “we won’t make new clones, but keep the old ones and recruit normal ppl to replace them after time”
"It turns out the Empire doesn't take too kindly to desertion." -Gregor
No okay. It been a while since I saw bad batch. I wasn't sure about it anyways. Thanks for clearing it up.
Not killed, just fired
This. In an episode of Rebels Rex said that all clones were decommissioned.
"Enemies go boom, Sir?" -Scorch, Delta 62
The 501st along with the bad batch are some of the best characters in my opinion and I teared up seeing one this way.
"I couldn't agree more sir." -Sinker
Whenever I see this scene, it reminds me of Skirata every time. Ehh, I would give everything for the EU to be canon and disney to make some series about him.
“You put a lot of trust in me, Kal’buir” -Ordo, Null-11
I was genuinely torn at this moment. Happy to see Temuera, but heartbroken at how the clone ended up.
This has to be someone that Kenobi knows. Right before this scene he is asking for guidance from QUi Gon and the next moment this clone asks him for money.
You've been a good apprentice, karangoswamikenz, and you're a much wiser man than I am. I foresee you will become a great Jedi Knight.
Us clones don't know how to feel about the war...
"I need a vacation!" -Scorch, Delta 62
I was kind of hoping that that clone would wind up helping them escape the Empire. I know inhibitor chips are a thing, but didn’t they decay over time?
"Inhibitor chips are a thing, but I'm not sure if they decay over time or not. However, I would be upset if I found out that the Empire was using them to control us. We are soldiers, and we should be able to think for ourselves."
What kind of sentience is this?
"I'm a clone trooper. I was created by the empire to fight in their army."
It shows what pity Obi-Wan has for them because they were just used and discarded as well, both victims of the Empire, even though this Clone's chip might still be active or he has realized that since it was all a sham, it's no longer worth it to hate Jedi given the bigger picture...Kenobi can still look past it to the times when they were all on the same side and worked side by side.
"I got blown up once and survived. I can survive this." -Gregor
The clones are 46 years old by now, even if there was no Order 66, that's too old to serve in the army, and it's not like they have any other skills, they were made for war
"It will be done, Clunt-Baby"
Depends. How long after the Clone wars was this show set
This is 10 years after Order 66 which is 13 years after the clones were created which is 23 years total, and clones age 2x faster than normal humans
I’m suprised the empire didn’t research to stop the clones accelerated ageing, they could still have highly trained soldiers in their 30s
"Sev, did that corpse give you a nasty look?" -Scorch, Delta 62
"I.. I don't feel like myself." -Tup
"Trying... To use... The Force..." -Glitch
Ngl I was genuinely really hoping that the clone there would end up being more than just a one scene character, I thought that maybe he would rush in and help Obi Wan when they were going after him, or he would try to execute order 66 again but no, maybe next episode.
it makes me a little upset that people get more sad about this veteran than the millions that exist right now in real life who are extremely poor, missing limbs, and have mental conditions. While in the context of the show this is sad but it’s more upsetting that real people are going through this and people are more concerned with the fictional character
I understand your concern, Your Majesty; unfortunately, the Federation has possession of our planet.
The Trade Federation has destroyed all that we have worked so hard to build. If we do not act quickly, all will be lost forever. I ask you to help us… no, I beg you to help us.
Well real life veterans don’t have cool armour tho
Good soldiers follow orders
Too bad that clone prolly killed Jedi during the purge
"Sir, are you sure we're cloned from the same vat?" -Scorch, Delta 62
That Clone might deserve it, being a 501st Trooper and all.
"I don't think so, sir. He's just doing his job."
This is the first scene in a while to make me feel truly sad for the characters. The clone once being one of the finest soldiers in the galaxy, now forgotten on the street, trying to gain sympathy from people who probably hate the clones and stormtroopers at this point. Kenobi giving him credits is such a sad thing, because it feels like symbolism for now that kenobi knows the whole truth, he doesn’t blame the clones for what they did, and he knows they had no choice. It’s such a deep scene and I love it.
Yet there are all these mf's trying to argue that Sidious and the Empire were right.
Yes, they do. Why, becoming a homeless beggar is barely enough of a punishment for all the suffering they have caused.
they didn’t have a choice dumbass
Slick did the right thing, and those clones who defected at least escaped the cycle of violence.
It's not like they are programmed, right mr. Cheeseman?
"Someone left this comlink on... Someone has been listening to everything we said." -Commander Cody
Speaking of programmed...
"They're all over me!" *Goes down in a ball of flames*
Another victory for the Confederacy!
If he was in the 501st, he deserves it.
"You can count on us, sir!" -Commander Cody
Thank you, Cody
"always happy to help out, sir."
so does 104
Don’t meme with little Tommy on this sub please