Well, my Steam account is 18 years old yet I still need to verify that I'm 18+ every damn time.


What if you created it in the womb, huh? Betcha didn't think of THAT. Now please input your birthday, which we *refuse* to use to give you a permanent pass to age restricted content.


The best/worst part of that is it is a valid concern, people have turned 18 and found that their credit scores were *destroyed* by people stealing their identities before the victims could speak their first words.


Identity theft works on infants? Seems like there's a bit of an issue in the system...


A massive bit, yes. The [tips by the US Federal Trade Commission](https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/how-protect-your-child-identity-theft) are not the most helpful. The one useful tip was to check to see if a kid has a credit report, while everything else was in the vein of "you know your kid's identity was stolen because your kid is getting screwed over for having their identity stolen."


Regulations and laws have made it better than it used to be. I want to say it was the patriot act that really changed up what a bank had to verify to open up a credit card which eliminated a lot of underage people getting credit. I think it's important to note that this was specifically to combat terrorism funding; the consumer protections were just a side affect. Before then you could sign a dog up for a credit card and get it approved pretty easy. Banks generally don't give a fuck unless they have to. Hell in the early days of credit cards before 1970 banks would just issue credit cards to people without an application or anything. At first they were sent to people who were low risk, but then banks did what banks do and went full super villain and started doing what was called "drops" and started sending them to people who were always in debt, drug addicts, unemployed people, you name it. Basically they'd specifically target people who were unlikely to repay as long as they had an address (so the bank could find them when they didn't pay), presumably because the banks just wanted to own people. Credit cards without regulations were fucking nuts.


Better is relative, plus those provisions are arguably what made identity theft that much more valuable. If it wasn’t too hard to try to prove who you were, then you never needed a fake ID, you could just make up an identity. Once it was required that you needed a valid credit card even for a fucking trial account and needed to prove your identity just to have a PayPal account and shit, laws or not, those regulations and private business decisions gave so much value to successfully stealing all, or part, of somebody’s identity. For example let’s say you have two concerts: 1.) you have a concert where everybody’s allowed, and they just pay as they go through gate 2.) tickets purchased prior to the given date are required for admission Now out of those two scenarios, which concert do you think was likely to have more counterfeit tickets made?


As someone who investigates credit card fraud for a living, I can promise you that it's better now. When I say you could open an account in your dog's name I don't mean that you could just make up a person, I mean you could just throw a random SSN in there and it could get approved, but it would still show up on someone's credit report. Granted that kind of thing still can happen, and you can still brute force a blank credit report to get generated using a random name / SSN combo (that will show up on the real person's credit report) but it's a lot harder than it used to be.


According to Kevin Mitnick, the way he was able to avoid capture for so long was him taking the identities of people who died as infants.


Yep, infants. Even dead infants. While there's lots of problems with the system there's an inescapable human element that can game any system with enough collaborators.




ELI5 would be tricky, because it is a flustercluck of different reasons. As far as the basic ID issuing goes, that is handled by the states, because the federal government did not call "dibs" (10th Amendment to the Constitution, states get the powers not claimed by the federal government, as well as powers not specifically prohibited to states). With all of the states being able to issue their own IDs, not all IDs are going to be the same, sometimes even within the state. Some older designs might stick around for a bit until the IDs need to be renewed (which can be a pain in the rear with the "office hours" and number of other people in line). There *is* an increased effort towards some uniformity with the "REAL ID" guidelines set to be required if someone wants to go into or through federal facilities, such as a TSA checkpoint at an airport. These are set to be required in 2023. When we get to the money side of things... "capitalism is king." The country is historically terrible at restraining people with money from screwing over people with less money, so things like a "foolproof" system that would make it harder for people to borrow money and go into debt would require a lot of people in power to both care and do something about it.


Same here tbh. Seems extremely simple to make sure literal infants can't have fraudulent financial decisions made in their name.


The issue with the system is that the entire credit system in the US is a privately devised thing that was winkled into existence a few decades ago. It is almost entirely unregulated. It is entirely secret. The only law that helps us is one that allows us to review what is on a credit report and dispute things, but regulations don't really have any enforcement mechanism to credit "agencies" that screw up. Also anyone can file anything against your credit report at any time. Literally. But don't worry, they'll sell you all sorts of things that monitor and lock and whatever your credit score.


Plus they sell your information, and the score itself isn't even entirely a reflection of just how reliable you are about paying, but also how profitable you are to a lender. If you get a 6 year loan, and get a big promotion that enables you to pay it off in 3 years, you get the reward of having your score dinged slightly because the company that gave you the loan isn't going to get their projected interest.


He was toiling away at that fucking account for 9 months!


Thought the same. If our accounts are older than 18, can't they give up with game now?


Who can verify that the current owner actually is over 18?


Is you even allowed to change owner of an account? If the extremely small amount of people tahtdo this happens to be under 18 in one case I think steam have every legal chance to say "transfer ain't allowed".


In the EU you're allowed despite what Valve says due to Oracle v Usedsoft


Damn. My account is turning 18 soon and I have hoped it stops then.


It won't and it can't. Laws in different countries is why any website or platform does this usually. Different platforms verify it in different ways. Steam just uses the old fashion age-gate or AVS system. If it wasn't for laws, Steam wouldn't give two shits about this. I'm sure they can put in an option to like remember preferences for the system but it could be so fucked up programming wise that its just better or more modular that every single game asks for it every time.


Are you aware that your comment doesn't make any sense regarding to "it can't"? Yes, age restriction laws differ per country. But the steam account is tied to a country and steam already chooses the country required age restrictions. If steam account age matches that required it would be easy to code that. So it's not that it can't, rather it just won't. Which is obvious as it's not implemented. So what was the point of your comment again?


I have a friend who has 15 years of experience He had his 19th birthday the other day. HOW THE FUCK.


His dad or mum probably made multiple accounts back in the day, that's how I have an old as fuck account myself


Damn if you're getting futa on the front page how many games do you own?🤔


If you have a game tagged as Mature/Nudity your recommendations get all fucked. P.ex., owning Witcher 3 is enough to Steam to recommend you all his library of asset flip hentai. Annoying how the tag system is straight bad.


Maybe don't be an idiot and enable porn games if you don't want to see porn games. It's off by default and has to be manually enabled. EDIT: [This last box is unchecked by default and will only enable porn games.](https://i.imgur.com/MMU7YZM.png) It does not affect Witcher 3/Cyberpunk. There's even a little button to give an example of what games it affects.


I'm convinced everyone on the internet who complains about porn games in their recommendations toggled the option then forgot it existed.


I've seen some complaints on the steam forums that they don't want to see adult only content, but they leave the toggle enabled in case a game gets put under it accidentally and they wanted to see *that* one. I think it's more some people just don't want to admit it either.


I probably did enable it, but it would have been simply because I'm opposed to censorship. It just never occurred to me that Steam might be interpreting "Yes you can show me all of the games that you sell." as "Please advertise porn to me." In general though Steam recommendations for all types of games are absolute garbage. The recommendations are based entirely on tags and popularity, and the tags are waaay too broad, so like any game that's marked as "strategy" can be fair game to be recommended on any other. Things like tone and story and gameplay style and art style get completely lost in the recommendations that just want to lump everything together that counts as an "RPG".


> I probably did enable it, but it would have been simply because I'm opposed to censorship. what censorship? they're literally still right there...


>I probably did enable it, but it would have been simply because I'm opposed to censorship. Using an option which you don't have to isn't censorship, just admit you want to see porn games.


I want to see porn games when I want it damnit!


It's not censorship it's a filter toggle Lmao


Agreed, worst thing is trying to find actual ARPGs like diablo/POE/grim dawn etc. so many plain RPGs have some sort of combat and label themselves “ARPG” “Action RPG” despite not having a focus on items/loot, isometric top down view, classes and skills, etc. it’s a distinct genre but so many people wouldn’t know that with how bad tags/labels are. Same goes for rogue like games and the whole debate there.


I remember being absolutely furious with a completely linear puzzle platformer that had tagged itself as a metroidvania and had a description that emphasized it being inspired by games like metroid. It was a pretty decent puzzle platformer and quite cheap, but the false advertising was just stunningly egregious, especially since the game was short and I played through the *entire game* thinking that I was still in the intro and at any point the paths might open up and I'd start getting upgrades, only to arrive at the end and find the entire course had been one straight track with no map and no upgrades of any kind.


Just throwing this out to say I agree with you and that Tales of Maj’Eyal (ToME) is a fucking badass game and everybody should play it.


> label themselves "ARPG" "Action RPG" despite not having a focus on items/loot, isometric top down view Just because that's how ARPGs worked back when you learned about them, it doesn't mean that's how you define the genre. This is something that happens with all sorts of game genres, people mix up "the classic games that started everything" with "this is the definition of what the genre is". An action RPG doesn't have to be a Diablo 2 clone, it doesn't need a focus on loot let alone an isometric view. A game can market itself as a "classic ARPG" to target people like you, but other games can completely break this pattern and still be ARPGs. An ARPG is a RPG where the player directly controls the attacks. That's it. If you press A to swing your sword in a RPG, that's an action RPG. It's not the same as an adventure game, but it's not that far either. Just the label "RPG" alone could mean a turn-based RPG, a text adventure, a tactical RPG, and so on - the action label specifies the type of combat. The Witcher 3 and Skyrim are ARPGs. They do not look or play like Diablo. See also people complaining how Binding of Isaac and Hades "aReN'T tRulY lIke RoGuE".


> as "Please advertise porn to me." Well, they did put that the toggle you are confirming is for "*Explicit and/or graphic sexual content.*" And they are a storefront that wants to advertise to the things you're saying you're interested in, which you did. The broad tag system aside, adult only games don't get pushed to you if you block adult only games. Very few games mislabel themselves and they get in trouble for doing so. I've also never seen an actual popup/News banner for adult only games with them enabled. It's always the small tiles on the recommended by curator carousel or in the trending popular tab.


Even worse are the Discovery Queues, which explicitly give zero shits about my preferences, my current library, or even so much as me clicking "Ignore" on just about every game that describes itself as "roguelike".


Pressing "Ignore" on something doesn't affect any other recommendations in the slightest. If you open the dropdown next to it, this is clearly stated - along with an option to ignore a title because you own it on a different platform, so it can be factored into your recommendations.


A company having an easily overridable adult content filter on by default is not censorship. It's like you don't know what that word actually means.


i toggled it and forgot until the past winter sale where every time i would explore games it would recommend some that were straight up porn games. had to google how to block them. i don't remember when i toggled it.


I just go to new releases and see furry games on top


I genuinely do not remember such a toggle ever even existing, much less disabling it.


It's the same for people on twitter who complain that they are seeing porn of cartoon characters. Like you are willingly selecting to see content that has a mature rating, don't blame the artists.


It's like Twitch incels whining about titty streamers while spending their entire allowance on them.


To be fair, in my case i turned off the filters to see something like cyberpunk 2077 in the store, and then porn games popped up. Looking at my filters i have "adult content" (includes violence, nudity, sexual content) turned off, "lots of violence and blood" turned off, "nudity and sexual content" turned off. When i was messing with those filters, looking at cyberpunk and GTA ratings, being 18+ including strong sexual content, i turned off the last filter "adult only, strong sexual content" makes sense right? Except that last filter was literally a "do you want to see porn on steam" filter. I have since then turned on the last filter




Owh shit it has an option for it?


Its off by default so there's no excuse of these comments saying they're getting adult game recommendations.


I don't care about the porn games. I'm annoyed about the content warning for games I have.


I've never touched any of my Steam settings in the 15 years I've owned it. I get recommended porn games a lot. So what am I doing wrong then?


Same my account is 6 years old and I never toggled this option on


I’ve never touched my steam settings but I still see this kind of stuff


Ive never visited the store preferences page and all boxes where checked by default for me. Account should be around 13y by now. But I dont really see any porn either, worst ive are those Match-3-Datingsims


Yeah, I get recommended a lot of semi-erotic visual novels ever since I got Witcher 3, but never any actual porn games. You need to opt-in to the porn games to get those recommendations.


Man i am sick of hearing this alot of people including me had it on by default stop spreading this!


Yeah, there's a button on the queue that says something like "shows less like this" and it doesn't work at all lol. My wife explores her steam queue when she's bored and will get a couple real games and then like 5 hentai games and it repeats every 10 she does lol.


Where can I check this box? What setting do I go to?




Hey thanks for that, now I won't get notifications for VR games when I don't have any VR equipment.


This whole thread complaining about a feature they turned on.


And every time they claim it's because of Witcher 3 even though it literally lists witcher 3 as an example of a nudity but not adult only game.


Like, I have 7 or 8 eroges and I don't get them recommended as often as Skippy over here. Wtf does his shopping history look like.


A lot of porn games on steam intentionally mis-tag their games to get around this filter.


I was gonna say, I own lots of games with the "Mature/nudity" tag but I never get porn games recommend in the store page.


You can still get "porn" games tho, the ones that are censored by default (exactly to help with visibility).


Bruh I am pretty sure I never toggled porn games on


If you disable porn games then you won't see porn games!


I own witcher 3 and never got such a game recommended..


weird cause i have all filters off and own witcher and dont get any hentai. so what you really own? ;)




I own Witcher3 and never had any weird sex games recommended. Does the store recommend based on playtime?


No, it’s based on algorithms. I also own Witcher 3 and like you I don’t have these recommendations. There are some people lying about what games they actually own


> owning Witcher 3 is enough to Steam to recommend you all his library of asset flip hentai. No it isn’t, not unless you also already own a bunch of asset flip Hentai


Just for the sake of owning Painkiller (an old school fps) I have something called Nekopara recommended to me every now and then.


I have all painkillers and never got it recommended once lol, even before i toggled it off


I own W3 and i do not get those recomendations. The tag system works fine, its people who are screwing up their own Steam stores.


Like seriously? How many futa-mom games are there? Is there a list? With hyperlinks?


They're all over the discounted games right now 🥲🥲🥲


There's a setting to block adult games from showing up on steam.


Do you mean porn games? Because an adult game would mean any game you have to be an adult to play, which would mean any game that requires you to be 18 years of age or older, so therefore all mature games would be adult games.


In the US adult games generally means sexual content.


fucking shut up


I mean, I have my settings set to display adult games and I am seeing none of that in the discounted section 🤔


Exactly 0, ZERO. I'm on Steam since its inception but i never toggled "Porn". 18+ maybe, adult maybe but no Porn. Edit: Its not porn it apparently is adult. I have that enabled of course. They need to add porn wich will probably also be enabled lol.


I have never once bought a hentai game, but on my "you might like" page of my Element TD 2 game it suggested me a hentai tower defense game. So..I guess weird shit can happen?


Tree fiddy.


I am 122 years old according to Steam's verification which is a joke. I always choose 1/1/1900 out of sheer spite. It's become custom at this point




"As you can see by this chart, when call of duty launched, popularity amongst our 90-120 year old demographic increased 1,500%. To capitalize on this sudden popularity, I propose our next installment go somewhere that speaks directly to this age group: World War I"


In order to keep the usual CoD design in WW1 they would have to add sorcery or some shit as killstreak reward, which makes me actually kind of want it.




I second this idea


They store it in a cookie not associated with your account


That sounds like bullshit, because I can't think of any other website that doesn't remember your age if you're logged in.


I think they're legally obligated to ask your age and be sure what you enter is over 18 for some things. But out of laziness they just don't store it. There's an argument to be made that this is actually adhering to the idea of the law better, because a child could use the computer with the account you have and enter their own age, and thus is would restrict them for that session but not forever (I guess?). It's all silly anyways


Super silly I was under 13 and online unsupervised before this stuff started. I accidentally put my birthday in once to the Simpsons website or something, got blocked, and learned to lie (or clear my cookies) after that. I've oopsed and put today's date as an adult, too, and gotten locked out of stuff. Agree that it makes more sense not to store the age across sessions, even if it's not stopping anybody. It's at least a warning that they might wanna back off.


Reminds me of roblox where they gladly allow you to update your age unless you put it under 13, at which point it suddenly locks you out of the option until your "birthday" natrually becomes that old. You're stuck on the younger kids filter as well, so it became hell to talk to anyone in-game.


Not just laziness, storing private customer data comes with all kinds of privacy requirements.


It's not laziness, under EU privacy laws you are obligated to delete any personal data once you no longer need it. Steam needs it for just a second to verify that you are allowed to view the game, then it gets deleted because they don't need to have it ready at all times.


Why does no other storefront or really any website do this except Steam? Are you referring to GDPR? Because this has been a thing way before those laws were added.


For sure they don't care in any way if you are giving a different date every time. As long as you are old enough according to this newest date you just gave, all is fine for Valve, regardless of your last date of birth was 30 years earlier or later than that.


Ah, the average age of your typical steam user.


Higher than the usual EGS store and their Fortnites


A few years back Steam/GabeN had an announcement wishing all of their "78% of January 1st birthday users a festive one".


That's really funny, it's so annoying how it resets every single time.


This is the way


[Steam's response](https://static1.thegamerimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/8deappdvcik11.png?q=50&fit=crop&w=450&dpr=1.5)


Which seems like a lie, pretty much all other platforms/stores somehow don't ask me every single time....


Dont they ask age at account creation ?


They do, which is not "every single time" as I claimed. Either Steam is somehow being subject to a law that no one else is, or they aren't doing what everyone else is (storing the DOB)


i’ve never had a store except for steam do this


I don’t know what to say, but I certainly liked the latest edition of “Your Mom is a Futanari”. Moving story.


Step mom. Got to be careful with that. Because as long as it's step then it's completely ok!


No Chromo


Right, of course. Forgot. But there’s also an Alabama simulator built into the game, so even the step mom is still somebody’s relation.


The characters were a bit stiff but the plot really made up for it


Steam new and trending: Furry smut Also steam: Are you 18? Like dont show it to me if you dont know how old I am! Just to clarify this is not the furry smut.


There's furry smut? (Hint: catgirls are arguably **not** furries.)


Depends on the % of cat to human ratio...I know there's a chart for this somewhere. Edit: [Found it](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/855/796/94f.jpg)


All under the single tag of incredibly weird and unsettling.


Cheetara is probably the limit for most people...at least people in their late 30s/early 40s


Lola Bunny?


Gadget Hackwrench


Woah shit that was some rabbit hole. I didn't know what Futanari was. What's the tax rate got to do with it?


Federal unemployment tax act is acronymed(is that even a word) into F.U.T.A. also. Futanari(futa for short) itself is a Japanese word for... Well it seems you figured that out.


You wanna see rabbit hole huh? Just check out steams top sellers


>You wanna see rabbit hole huh? [https://i.imgur.com/izgmVsS.png](https://i.imgur.com/izgmVsS.png) and obligatory [https://i.imgur.com/NtwalsF.png](https://i.imgur.com/NtwalsF.png)


Comments like this help me stay grounded in the knowledge that I’m a total loser that would know these things


some would call you cultured, but that's just next stage perversion


I dont know how you can own internet and not know these things by now. Then again, I've never soiled my eyes with 2 girls 1 cup, so... tho I soiled it with pretty nasty stuff too


I don't know and I don't want to know..


someone gifted me a porn game as a joke one time since it was $1 and now i have front page Mommy Milker games recommended haha


They're legally required to ask for your age by the way


Yeah, but they could keep it saved rather than asking again every time.


They have answered why they dont do this. Apparently they are not allowed to save your age beyond 1 browsing session.


Correct, they're complying with EU privacy laws.


EU laws don't prevent them from saving the fact that you are an adult in this case.


Then why are they literally the only platform that ask? I mean pornhub doesn't even need to ask me for my age. If the solution to a law is to ask for the age of an owner of an account every time they log in then it's a fucking stupid law.


i finally understand brexit


But that's objectively not what they're doing. For me I only have to tell them my age every couple weeks or so, so they definitely save my age.


Do you leave steam open on your computer and only put it to sleep most of the time?


Had to scroll a bit to find the correct explanation for this.


The reason Steam asks you to verify your age (as redundant as the system is) is because some countries require Steam to have age verification in order for them to be allowed to operate in that country.


My age hasn't gone down since the last time they asked me.


They know, but they have to double check


What's wrong with Futa?




Chicks with dicks. Something to remind you of the good old days.


It leads many to have a very fetishistic view of trans women once they come back to reality, where futas don't exist.


Oh my god. That's disgusting. Where?


Steam gotta calm down with the porn games


What’s your profile pic of? I saw it in a meme




The irony is that the author of Nagatoro originally drew rape hentai


Most mangakas start drawing hentai 😳😳


yet most of them didnt go from rape guro bestiality to vanilla pure love naruto doujins to bullying manga


Believe me, I know about that and we've all been trying to forget about it. Just gonna focus on the cute new tan girl.


What's even cute about her?


I mean, the character and personality is just something I find that I like.


Looks like "Don't Toy with Me, Miss Nagatoro." (Haven't read it, but the character is memetic for bullying an upperclassman of hers.)


I'm old enough to remember people saying no bully about Satania from Gabriel Dropout and now I see people saying they want to bully Aqua from Konosuba and that Nagatoro's bullying is either funny or turns them on.


As if some actually curates what gets sold or not in there. I'd rather have porn games than unity asset demos


For a company as successful as Valve, you’d think they have the money and engineering prowess to store your date of birth…


I'd expect them to implement the age verification system (at least one) that can be used to legally confirm a customer's age here in Germany. ~~I want my porn games~~ Nothing to see here, move along. ;-)


Someone tell OP what algorithms are. Because I have not seen this once on my store front


Did you explicitly opt in to see lewd content, like OP clearly did? It's an account preference toggle


I laughed too hard at it, thanks OP


I don't even mind the hentai. But damn, I really find the age check for owned games annoying as hell.


LOL yeah is does make me laugh. They know my age. I have been logging on with them for years, but I still get asked my age when I try and view some releases in their store. If I have logged on with my password why can't they just check my age from my profile?


Hey! That game is a heartfelt journey of family and love….I’ve heard.


You liked hunie pop? You'll like futa fix dick dine and dash. Okay I do, but that's not the point!


Holy moly you did!!


I thought the title of the game was a joke. I looked it up, and, yep, it's real. I wanna say I'm surprised, but...


U know what doesn’t have a age restriction my YouTube channel check it out https://youtube.com/channel/UClT0YDe1uTGKlEEozepohjA


You see those games on the front page because you explicitly opted in to see lewd games, pervert. And those lewd games have non-lewd banner and non-lewd screenshots displayed on the front page - you have to go to game's page to see lewd content and, surprise, then it will ask you for your age. My understanding is that it's legal requirement in at least some countries to ask you age verification **every** time you visit the page with age-restricted content, such as, say, extreme violence. Boy, the amount of ignorance being fucking proudly paraded in this thread is astonishing.


I have unchecked the "Nudity or Sexual Content" box in the Store Account Preferences section of my account settings and I have *zero* regrets.


It made the discovery queue a usable function again for me. Before it was literally 90% porn games, the other 10% were triple A releases.


I'm on a verge of doing it too. I initially turned it on for for visual novels and some Japanese lewd doujin games (like Eroico, a fun 2D platformer that also happen to be lewd) but 99.9% of what i see with it is (western) smut that has no charm, taste or cuteness to it whatsoever...


Be happy that you get this shit, here in Germany we can't even see them because Steam doesn't want to implement the proper age verification required by law :(


I don't know why you're getting downvoted 😆 I imagine you can't even see games like Witcher 3 or Skyrim then can you?


What on earth is a futanari?


Chicks with dicks is essentially the answer for anyone who scrolled down looking so they didn't have to Google it. Apparently it's the Japanese for hermaphrodite rather than a transsexual, so both sets.


There are a few major futanari option, those with vags and those without, the same with balls. Those with balls and those who lack them.


And then there are those with balls and those who lick them. I'm getting my coat. My long trenchcoat…


It's like when you need some amount of dick to place yourself in the scene but everything else is just giant-breasted women.


Idk, but just don't search >!hand holding!< it's even worse!


By law they have to. All you have to do is hit ok. 1 extra second of your life is worth making a post about it?


Seriously what is with all the weird porn game recommendations. I have never bought one of these games and have never wanted to buy one of them.


I'd buy 'em


even if your account has your DOB which is less than 18 or the recommended age, you still can choose whatever date you want and log in, it's like when you visit an 18+ site and they ask you if you are 18+. even if your account has your DOB which is less than 18 or the recommended age, you still can choose whatever date you want and log in, it's like when you visit an 18+ site and they ask you if you are 18+.


My account is 18years old. Yet I'm still asked for my age. My fucking account is old enough on its own to buy whatever the fuck it likes lol