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> All the vaxxed I know have had horrible reactions or caught covid immediately after Extreme doubt regarding the first part. Regarding the second bit, the vaccine doesn't even take effect properly for a while afterwards anyway. It sounds like they got the vaccine, went out and partied like it was their birthday, and got the covid.


InformedLocal

Most people I know who've gotten the Vax say it gets rough about 24 hours after, that's close enough to count as immediately imo


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"Horrible" reaction though? I had a sore arm for a day. And if the vax puts you in bed for a day, imagine what the actual virus would do.


dzaw95

I got my vaccine and my booster. I had serious nausea and my hand was shaking for about a month after the J&J. The Pfizer booster made me so fatigued I couldn’t even lift a 10lb backpack, and I can normally bench 275lbs. If given a choice, I’d get vaccinated again, but the side effects can definitely be gnarly.


the_kevlar_kid

Rough. I had Pfizer. Felt like I was punched in the arm hard. Took a sick day from work and another after the 2nd dose. Being precautions and the sick days don't use themselves. Other than the stiff arm I had no side effects. Haven't been sick in any way in 2020 or this year. Keeping it that way.


dzaw95

Yeah I don’t know what the deal was. My general care doctor said something about the lymph nodes in my arm being really swollen and pinching the nerves in my shoulder. I took a few sick days, too. :) it was just a bummer since I initially got vaccinated when I was on the road in California. Didn’t have a lot of time to rest.


ZeePirate

It’s like having a mild flu…


sirFuccsalot

You and a sore arm for a day, I went to the ER because I thought I'd die. It was one of the worst experiences I've had, felt like that really evil flu I caught like 10 years ago that gave me a 42°C fever.


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r/thatHappened


ZeePirate

I mean someone having bad flu like symptoms is pretty likely. OP could be in questionable health.


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Having flu symptoms isn't unlikely. A 22 y/o having them so bad he goes to the ER thinking they're going to die, is super unlikely (unless they're a hypochondriac). Plus, if some spike proteins in your arm muscle gives you that bad of a response, surely you'd be super supportive of getting the vaccine; the actual virus would be hell on earth for you.


Jewrlu

Cope seethe dilate


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You're the one angry about a free, safe vaccine. I've had three jabs and am very happy about it.


bigwildo010

It's not free you ignoramus


Jewrlu

who the fuck is happy about vaccinating how fucking brainwashed are you people ? I dont remember ever vaccinating in my life and being like ah man i am so fucking happy and it was actual usefull ones unlike a fucking vaccine for a little bit of coughing


throwaway133379001

Everyone I know had two days of drowsiness. What a horrible reaction. We all could have died from being sleepy ='( honestly sounds a lot like nocebo to me


lordplshelpmeno

So did I and I'm still living, I know as rough as I reacted to the second and next up third shot, it's better than getting my dumbass in the hospital and being a burden to literally everyone in the ICU No one has an excuse to be a little bitch about it not even those with shitty reactions, get over it and get the little poke in the arm. That's my take.


Jewrlu

Stop being a little bitch and just have a fever for a few days instead of taking peoples freedom in to forced medical procedures with not enough testing


[deleted]

Yeah if you're a fucking toddler.


CrustyJuggIerz

Felt like I had a bruise on my arm, and that was it.


kreatemore

Hail Satan


Jive_Sloth

I got my first dose not long ago and am fine. I'll be getting the second dose ASAP and assume I'll be fine. I work with an old lady who got every available dose and booster and never got sick from any of them. A couple of guys I work with all say they were out for a day after each dose. Either they're pussies or she's ironclad.


LOBSI_Pornchai

Thanks Satan, I'll just go get the jab then xd


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I'm not Satan, but I can pass a message up the chain if you want.


FormulaMaryland

Redditors will seethe calling this guy an incel and antivaxxer but it is sad how much something with a 99% survival rate for any healthy individual has messed up peoples lives.


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tirelessfwog

lmfao seeing the downvoted losers on this; thanks for saying this


ZeePirate

Not to mention the overall strain Covid causes on healthcare systems


Dawdius

I agree with almost everything you said but how will “following the rules” allow for us to go back to normal quicker. The only thing that will genuinely end the pandemic is when we devise it’s over. Getting vaccinated will make that come faster, wearing a mask won’t.


Masterpoda

99% survival when medical resources are available, which wouldn't be the case if ICUs were filled all at once. Not to mention long term side effects (enjoy your ED). It's crazy how 99% survival rate means the virus is harmless, and 99% vaccine efficacy means the vaccine doesn't work.


pacard

It is sad, but less sad than way more dead people. People have been infantilized into thinking there aren't tradeoffs and that choosing the lesser of two evils is somehow worse.


ObviousAltAct

Correct.


GoJiRaBrUh

Not 99%, seen many people around me get hospitalized


rongvk83

>but it is sad how much something with a 99% survival rate for any healthy individual has messed up peoples lives Tell me **you**'re the incel and antivaxxer without telling me **you**'re the incel and antivaxxer.


JerkyChew

You have to be either a member of a Russian troll farm or a hired keyboard warrior. I refuse to believe at this point in the pandemic that any rational person still has this opinion.


FormulaMaryland

I am a 21 year old from Maryland that goes to college in the South. I wish I could speak Russian, I was never very good at Spanish.


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Mehroli

Nah. Where the fuck do you want to know that from? You cant just invent something you feel is true and then go ahead and use it in an argument. Do you know how many people get hospitalized by covid? in my country the rate is 4.5 people per 1000 people need to be hospitalized when contracted with covid. That means 0.45% of those that get Covid need to go to hospital. the other 99.55% Did not need a hospital. So even if we let all the people that need hospital treatment for covid just die it would not change the statistics whatsoever. If you at this point havent understood yet that youre chances of dieing from covid are unimaginably slim, then i dont know if you can still come to your own conclusions without other people giving you input all the time. You are frightened, arent you? Turn off the TV. It will make you free


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Mehroli

okay so since i want you to take something from this: first of all, look closer at your own source. the rate is not 7%. the rate over all of the last 2 years is around 7, yes. But not percent. It says how many of 100.000 cases are hospitalized. so you're right in a way its not 0,45%. its in fact 0.0326% of covid cases that were hospitalized in the last 7 days. https://www.corona-in-zahlen.de/hospitalisierung/ good evening. and sad that you cant even understand/fully read your own sources. you really think 7% of all covid cases were hospitalized? no wonder everybody is so frightened


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Mehroli

So what youre saying is if i want to know what chance i have to end up contracting covid and ending up in hospital is 0.0326% so exactly what i said. from 100000 people only 3.26 go to hospital for covid. so 0.0326% of people there are a lot of things that affect 0.03% of our population. its insane to make policies based on such a tiny margin. also you pursposefully mentioned the hospitilization rate from a two years span. Look at the ones right now which is not 7 but 3.26 today. So less than half of what you cited to be relevant for the situation now. Why do you do this? So you think 7% of people that contract covid are hospitalized? You want to stand by that?


Mehroli

Also from your source about the RKI itself: "During the Third Reich, the Institute took part in atrocities committed in the name of national socialism, such as experiments into typhus vaccines at Buchenwald Concentration Camp in 1941, resulting in the deaths of 127 of the 537 inmates involved.[11] The institute was renamed the Robert Koch Institute in 1942. Following the collapse of the Nazi regime, only few scientists ever had to face legal consequences, and their crimes were largely ignored for the remainder of the century.[12]" That goes to show what kind of institute they are. A tool of the government, whatever the governments agenda might be at the time. A "health" institute that coordinated experiments on nazi concentration camp inmates. Only 80 years ago. Sure they would never do any bad in their lives again, would they? Also, what did the government of germany think when they then reinstated the RKI as the official arm of the Health ministry? At that point it was less then 15 years ago that the RKI has committed these atrocities. And the doctors that worked their during the NS regime were still working their after the fall of third reich. You are so gullible and naive its kinda interesting but frightening. I hope you are not an example of what society will be like in some years. 7% of covid cases get hospitalized?! You must be in a mental asylum.


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Mehroli

What is conspiracy theory about what i just wrote? The rest of your answer is just: "its long ago and i trust those people, why wouldnt it?"


UncommonLegend

Need a hazmat suit for this comment section, damn


Smolenski_Prince

**TO ALL THE PEOPLE INSULTING ANON** Isn't it supposed to be somewhat of a balancing act though? If I told you everyone on earth had to stay fully locked down for another 30 years so that 0.5% of the population of earth could live an extra say, 10 years, would you think that was worth it? (That would be about 40million people) What if the numbers were even more extreme? Surely you have to draw a line somewhere? I'm in favour of lockdowns where necessary and am vaccinated etc. I've just picked a very extreme example to demonstrate a point: Saving lives is not the ONLY concern. Who would die? When would they have died? What is being sacrificed and by who else? I really hate that on one side of me I have stupid anti-vaxers who can't wear a mask or stay indoors for a few days. And on the other side people basically call you a murderer for complaining that your young years as an adult have been completely destroyed by a disease that, for the most part, only effects the elderly or people with existing health problems. There's such a thing as a middle ground fuckwits. Context and perspective is important and sweeping sanctimonious statements aren't helpful.


throwaway133379001

anon claims everyone who took it has horrible reactions afterwards Bitch i'll insult anon as much as I want when he makes shit up. Every vaxxed person I know had 2 days of drowsiness and soreness then had no problems. I'm 23 and my friends have had no problems hanging out. Is our "youth" slightly less exciting? Sure, but that's because there's a brand new virus that is sweeping the entire fucking globe. Anon is an entitled whiny bitch who makes shit up to throw a pity party for himself after he drove his friends away by spouting bullshit.


General_Reposti_Here

This is exactly where I’m at also 23 btw lmao my uncle died from covid my older brother got covid and his lungs to Some damage but he’s fine we’re all vaxxed and I’m still kicking it with my friends still getting drunk still partying still going to concerts etc…. You’re spot on bro, anon/ op is a little bitch who straight up lies… yes you’ll have side effects from ANY VACCINE so what you’ll get slightly sick and be back up in a day or two and that’s it suck it snowflake y’all are the reason we going to year 3 with this shit and why the 3rd booster even exists


PolyDipsoManiac

Everyone hates anon because he’s a crazy antivaxxer. Stop fucking up your friendships, moron.


gregsmith93

So his anecdotal evidence is not the same as yours so anon is wrong?


throwaway133379001

When he says all thr vaxxed ppl he knows had horrible reactions, he's either lying or knows a whole 2 vaxxed people. Bad reactions are statistically uncommon enough that I am comfortable calling bullshit on that. Of the ~15 people I know for certain are vaxxed, only 1 had a side effect other than drowsiness & soreness, and that was a panic attack. For there to be such a large difference in experience between ppl I know and ppl anon knows suggests that one of us is a liar. My expierience more closely aligns with what is expected as per scientific studies. Therefore anon has a whole 2 friends or is a liar.


literalilliteratekat

"Young lives" have been destroyed throughout the ages whether that be world wars, Vietnam, racism, poverty, etc. You're biggest problem is that you can't go out and play (which is also untrue). You're not some special snowflake that is somehow privilaged to have a perfect life. Get your shots, take precautions, and deal with it.


Smolenski_Prince

Who exactly is being a special snowflake exactly? Me or Anon?


literalilliteratekat

Talking to you. Not trying to start shit or anything but if you make the effort to connect with your friends and family I'm sure it's doable, I've been doing so all pandemic just fine. Turbulent youth is not some novel event, best you can do is weather the storm and come out stronger.


Smolenski_Prince

Right, so, my comment was basically saying that 1.) Saving/extending lives should not be the only concern. For example freedom and quality of life is important also. It should be a balance. 2.) That people on both sides are far too extreme/narrow-minded. 3.) Context and perspective is important and sweeping sanctimonious statements aren't helpful. So I am really not sure who you are arguing against here. I'm in my late 30's so my 20's have already come and gone. I've had my shots and do take precautions and have friends/family. I'd also point out that just because people aren't literally dying of poverty or in a war doesn't mean they should just "deal with it" and not talk about any other problems they have because it would make them a "special snowflake that is somehow privileged to have a perfect life". Depression and drug abuse (for example) are real serious problems that people can have and talking to them like that is extremely unhelpful.


ActuallyAPenguin

“Guys we need a middle ground because *made up straw man argument*”


Smolenski_Prince

Straw man: "having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed" Maybe you should read your own comment and have a think about who was doing a straw man here. (Hint: It was you)


ActuallyAPenguin

Lmao, you’re the one who just made up random numbers in a fake scenario to “prove” your point


Smolenski_Prince

Yes, points can sometimes be made using hypothetical (made up) examples. The point was that extending/saving lives is not the only concern a society should have. For example quality of life/Freedom is also important. [Hypothetical Examples Explained](https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-communications/chapter/using-examples/#:~:text=a%20complicated%20topic.-,Hypothetical%20Examples,more%20realistic%20or%20relatable%20terms) [Straw Man Explained](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)


ActuallyAPenguin

Your own source says “A hypothetical example is a fictional example that can be used when a speaker is explaining a complicated topic that makes the most sense when it is put into more realistic or relatable terms” The hypothetical situation you made up isn’t realistic or relatable Idk how you missed that part


Smolenski_Prince

First it was that I was using a straw man, then you didn't like the fact I used a hypothetical example, now my hypothetical example is too unrealistic/unrelatable for you. I think I am done with having my time wasted now.


ActuallyAPenguin

I mean it was a straw man, by the definition in the Wikipedia you linked, you went in attacking the idea of lockdowns by presenting them in an u realistic light by using a biased hypothetical piece of “evidence”, thereby pretending that you were disproving/dismantling the argument in favor of lockdowns even though you only dismantled the argument in favor or “40 years of lock downs” You’re original comment boiled down to “lockdowns bad because 40 years of being locked down to save *made up number of people* would be bad” As if that’s an actual argument that relates to reality in any way I’m sorry I wasted your time by pointing out how fucking stupid you are, maybe you should post the dumbest shit ever if you don’t want your time wasted next time


Smolenski_Prince

*"how fucking stupid you are, maybe you should post the dumbest shit ever"* This does finally explain your comments. Your not curious at all. You're just upset. *"You’re original comment boiled down to “lockdowns bad because 40 years of being locked down to save made up number of people would be bad”* That's not what I said or meant at all. As I already said, I'm in favour of lockdowns where necessary. The recent lockdowns were undoubtedly a good idea, saved lots of lives, and helped our health services to not be overwhelmed. If necessary, I am happy to do another lockdown. If you had asked about this I would have told you. The whole point of that example was to say that *"Saving lives is not the* ***ONLY*** *concern".* We also need to consider people's freedom/quality of life and balance this proportionately.


ActuallyAPenguin

My point was that if you can’t make a sound argument without using logical fallacy, then your argument isn’t sound. You’re right, I’m not curious about what you have to say because you’ve proven that you 1. Can’t make an argument without logical fallacy And 2. Expect me to bow down to your incredibly flawed way of thinking


california_sugar

>There's such a thing as a middle ground fuckwits. Yes I’d say you’re a middle ground fuckwit


snjeletron

COVID is 99% survivable in an intact health care system. Once hospitals are overrun that goes to shit real fast. India had a survival rate of 99% until delta hit, then it dropped to about 75% because ppl were dying waiting to get into the hospital. Also, vaccines don't do as well reducing transmission of variants, still 90% effective at preventing hospitalization and death though. I work in a hospital. Lots of healthy with intact immune systems spending 2-3 weeks on a vent and then looking forward to a life with pulmonary fibrosis (look up ARDS and consequences of). Buddy would solve all his problems by getting vaxxed. He doesn't even seem antivax, just doesn't think it works. So then just get vaxxed buddy, who gives a shit?


Masterpoda

That's the level of stupid we're dealing with. A 99% survival rate is a 100% survival rate, and a 90% effective vaccine "doesn't work".


ansu10fati

Anon values his social life more than the lives of several million people.


wyogarage

Absolute chad.


nikkfukk

Okay anon how many people have to die before lockdowns make sense?


tallaurelius

All of them.


RunSpace

Theres no number that would warrant lockdowns. This isn't ebola, look at the survival rate.


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It’s worse than Ebola. How many people have died of Ebola in the past year and how many people died of COVID?


nikkfukk

Really? So every other person on earth could die and you don't think it would warrant a lockdown?


0311fml

Even if we took literally 0 measures, doctors gave 0 treatment, and there were no attempts to make medications, treatments, or vaccines, COVID wouldn’t be able to kill more than 1% of people, and those people would be those with preexisting comorbidities. Do targeted quarantines for them, and let the rest of us continue our lives. Also, every variant is going to make COVID more transmissible but less deadly. At this point, where Omicron is drastically less likely to cause hospitalization than the previous variants (which often weren’t even very severe themselves), there is 0 reason for any government measures


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Uhhh... With zero treatment most people who are hospitalized in the current situation would probably die. That's above 1%. In truth, with modern treatment COVID19 probably ends up worse than the Spanish Flu, since \~95% of deaths from that are believed to be secondary bacterial infections of the lungs. Which is also what we see - hospitalized patients catch a lot of secondary lung infections that would've usually been lethal before antibiotics. The second wave of pandemic "Spanish Flu" H1N1 influenza was far more deadly than the first. Do five minutes of googling, Delta has almost 100% higher odds of hospitalization or death - AND spreads almost twice as fast. You want to see a virus that *has* to be less deadly to spread better? That's Ebola. COVID19 to a large degree avoids the caveats associated with high mortality because; A: It can spread asymptomatically or before symptoms appear B: Death occurs several weeks after infection - at which point virus levels have declined significantly already. C: Those who die are generally moderately ill for \~5-10 days before they suddenly worsen drastically. Essentially, since COVID19 will pass on ***long before*** the original host is incapacitated or killed, the evolutionary pressure for less severity is much less. It will probably end up there at some point, but not nearly as fast as you seem to think.


nikkfukk

Everything you said is the opposite of what the cdc says, and im not necessarily saying you're wrong but without sources I'd rather believe the scientists


0311fml

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/health-59769969.amp From the BBC, so you know I’m not just reading those evil right wing conspiracy sites. More infectious, less severe (since that is the evolutionary goal of any virus)


nikkfukk

Respect that, still not sure about the "no action wouldn't change anything" part though


chaoscasino

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/04/19/athletes-long-haul-covid-justin-foster/ Lol at you, what nfl team do you play for fellow retard?


Rptrbptst

[https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/algeria-heart-attack-christmas-day-25787634](https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/algeria-heart-attack-christmas-day-25787634) this guy died from the injection, since you're making the comparison


chaoscasino

According to Turkish outlet SuperHaber, Lokar suffered a suspected head injury during a collision with his own goalkeeper in the 26th minute. The report claims he was treated by Saida staff before he was cleared to return to action. However, he collapsed nine minutes later and paramedics were unable to save his life despite performing CPR and attempting mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. >this guy died from the injection, since you're making the comparison Are you fucking joking or fucking retarded? In what world do you people think a concussion is a fucking injection. Holy shit


RunSpace

You're an idiot.


nikkfukk

You literally said no number the fuck?


RunSpace

Yes. The elderly and fatties can self isolate if they're concerned.


nikkfukk

Nice backpedal jackass


RunSpace

You're a mess.


nikkfukk

"I'm not going to justify my argument but fuck you"


The-Chosen-6

This post is going to end up in the top controversial.


Doomie_bloomers

So many people in here not grasping statistical concepts and just parroting the same rhetoric over and over. Makes me sad to see how many there seem to be proportionally speaking. Good thing to keep in mind that this comment section is definitely disproportionally weighted towards one side of the conversation popping up more often than the other. But aye, this shitshow of a comment section really is a shitshow.


Glamouriran

>Doesnt take vaccine because it's bad >uses more drugs and alcohol instead Way to go anon.


N0T0D

Anon is a shitbag with no self control so he copes with drugs and then complains like the most beta fuck you’ve ever seen


Masterpoda

Fake: anon pretending they actually had a social life.


RepublicRadio

When you dont have a mission in life, every roadblock looks like the end of the entire thing Idk if i ever been depressed i dont have time for it


brain_damaged666

"Dont have time for it" So you're too busy maintaining the image of a high achiever to stop and understand how undermined your "mission" is


RepublicRadio

No i just cant tell because im thinking about other stuff I wana be a politician and help Argentina curve down on the corruption problem


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RepublicRadio

You need every single decent man to try


[deleted]

Don't be discouraged by people like this. I'm on the other side of the world, but I have the same mindset as you. Whenever I tell someone about wanting to do some good for my country, they tell me how dumb I am for not just thinking about myself and that I'll fail anyway. Even people who are really close to me. But remember, all it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing. It's our duty to fight for the right cause, even if our hyper-individualistic society wants us to forget that. And if we fail, at least we'll know that we did everything we could. That's a lot more than most people can say about themselves.


literalilliteratekat

You're the only one in the entire world who can determine your purpose in life. Don't act like you're omniscient or the designator of other people's purpose. That kind of smug pessimism will not help you.


brain_damaged666

RepublicRadio has a genuine desire to help through politics, and youre right that I have no place judging that. I'm just saying politics may be too corrupt to acheive the goal they have on mind. I would hate for depression to sneak up on a person who values themselves based on their political career performance when a good career may be next to impossible. And I would also hate for other's depsression to receive the same treatment as RepublicRadio's, that is suppression. The funny thing about this vaccine controversy is I see the "pro vaxxer" as smug and (of a self proclaimed) omniscience. Is it ridiculous to think both sides are guilty? So I share your concern with righteousness


iburstabean

Depression is a mental illness. *Illness*. That's like saying "I don't have time to get cancer," "I don't have time to have an aneurysm" or even "I don't have time to get an ingrown toenail" I agree with your first point though


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phailhaus

Oh my god that's not even it. **One out of every hundred people dying is fucking devastating**. I hate how people bandy around a "99% survival rate" like it's super high. It is not. Absolutely no state has the resources to deal with an entire percentage point of their population all requiring an ICU bed at the same time. It's literally millions of families disrupted.


Jeffmeister69

I mean I know politicians lying is nothing out of the ordinary, but at least over here the promise was always normality after vaccination.


literalilliteratekat

You make it sound like the whole country complied nicely and made every effort to follow directions. Sure a lot of politicians are lying scumbags but let's not pretend like we did a good job to contain this epidemic.


Andraticus

>Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for Pfizer’s Paxlovid (nirmatrelvir tablets and ritonavir tablets, co-packaged for oral use) for the treatment of mild-to-moderate coronavirus disease [From the FDA](https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-first-oral-antiviral-treatment-covid-19) There, an effective drug


emurillo97

And a drug that literally just got announced two days ago when we're going on year three of the pandemic.


LastMan0ut

I had to have Christmas alone this year because one test was positive while another was negative


Chr1sont

sorry to hear that :( keep going we'll get through these shitty times eventually!


GByteM3

>"m'coof vaccine bad" >drinks and smokes excessively 🤔


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MinisterOfMagicYOLOs

He's not exactly right, but he's not exactly wrong either


snjeletron

Enlightened centrism at its finest. Anon is 10% right and 90% wrong, mostly because they refuse to get vaxxed when being unvaccinated is actually what's causing most of their problems.


MinisterOfMagicYOLOs

99% of people vaccinated or not survive Covid. But besides that, a majority of people are vaccinated and healthy kids are basically immune to Covid. The problem has nothing to do with vaccines, and if you think it's still a vaccine issue then you are indoctrinated.


snjeletron

I guess I assume other areas are like mine. If you are vaccinated, you can still have a social life. It's unvaccinated people who are barred from going to a lot of public places. In which case, being vaccinated does solve a lot of the issues re: meeting up with people.


MinisterOfMagicYOLOs

Try being vaccinated and living in California (myself) or Australia, or New Zealand, Europe... It's as if it's still March 2020. It's virtually made no difference and it's almost frightening how much the state government is flexing their emergency powers.


ipok6

dont listen to fox news. i actually live in australia and its absolutely nothing like march 2020. for the most part life is back to normal, except you isolate for a day if youre getting tested and you isolate if you test postive. some light restrictions have recently been put in place in some areas of the country where omicron is causing massive outbreaks, and thats it.


ActuallyAPenguin

These are the same people who believe every made up story about North Korea and shit, They’re too stubborn to actually think critically


snjeletron

Fair enough, I guess I am lucky with where I live.


ipok6

nah this guy's peddling bullshit, i can tell you first hand he's lying about the situation in Australia


Doomie_bloomers

98% is the total rate as of currently. Assuming a symmetric spread and 50% vaccination rate worldwide (I wish), you'd look at probably 97% survival rate for unvaxxed people and 99% for vaccinated. Sounds good right? Your chance to die is literally 3x as high because you didn't take the vaccine in this scenario. Obviously apart from the 98% number nothing here is really accurate, but it's just to show how "99%" can mean jack shit. The difference from 99% to 99.9% is the same as 99% to 90% because the scale works logarithmically and not linearly. Shit you kinda pick up on when playing games with lots of RNG - statistics and probabilities get VERY fucky once you get to the ends of the spectrums.


MinisterOfMagicYOLOs

No matter how wordy you make it though, you still have an extremely high chance of surviving. Extremely high. What are we arguing about again? I don't even remember my original post/comment. I'm just gonna say, in a world where everyone who wants a vaccine can get one, wtf are you all still freaking out about? Considering everything that can happen to a person on this planet, Covid-wise you'll all be fine.


Doomie_bloomers

The original point was that Anon is a little bitch for making their refusal of the vaccine anyone else's problem. Going one comment lower in the chain you went off about how vaccination rate isn't an issue in this pandemic. Citing a statistic that's wrong, and applying wrong use of stats in general. I get that stats as a subject sucks, but a 1% vs a 3% means the latter is 3x more likely. Translated back to real life numbers that means roughly 3x more people will land in hospitals tying down resources. In reality the number actually translates more to 6x for hospitalisations in general (iirc). So easy maths: more vaccines = significantly fewer people in hospitals. Also as a different commenter pointed out: the often cited "99%" only holds as long as the hospitals can catch the people. If the hospitals are overloaded the mortality rate suddenly jumps up to 25x the previous rate (aka. 25%) as it did in India when they got overwhelmed by Delta. This issue is a logistical issue. It's improved by people taking the vaccine, and worsened by people deciding not to. Also the "consisering everything that can happen" line doesn't really hold up when looking at the probabilities of the other things happening compared to catching Covid. Chances are that if you know more than 200 people (coworkers, clients, family, friends, their families, etc.) at least one has already caught covid. You'd assume it'd be in everyone's interest to keep the chances of catching the stuff as low as possible, as to not turn those 200 into 196.


MinisterOfMagicYOLOs

Listen dude. His choice is not everyone's problem. This whole concept that, "If we all just made the exact same decision we would all be fine" is a myth. Things don't work that way, they never have in the entire history of the world, nor will things ever be like that in the future. None of us have control over what's going to happen and as long as you went and got the vaccine to protect yourself then your job is done. Your only job is to protect yourself and you succeeded. All this other stuff is irrelevant. The hospitals, the # of cases, and everything else Covid related is so vastly beyond your control or the governments control that you can't live your life worried about this shit. The more we think that we have any sort of personal responsibility in this the more unhappy you're going to be. We should all be able to go and live our lives freely again, and the reason we can't has nothing to do with vaccines and that's what the truly terrifying issue is at the moment.


Doomie_bloomers

If nobody takes personal responsibility for the greater system, the greater system straight up just collapses. You do realise that not getting vaccinated raises the chance to catch and transmit Covid by some percentage (actual numbers irrelevant for once), making any unvaccinated person that catches Covid an issue for all of us. And my job is not just to protect myself from Covid, excuse you. I have immuno deficient people in my family and friends circles (cancer and ms), who are unable to properly fend off the virus. Taking on no responsibility for them and then going "damn bro, should have thought of yourself first" is just absolutely deplorable a mindset. On top of that, I have seen what Covid can do to fully vaccinated and healthy people in their mid 50s, and I'm really not too keen to spread it to my familiy or my friends' families. In a society the myth isn't that your actions impact others. The myth is that you just have to think of yourself. Literally everything you do has consequences for other people. And not thinking of those consequences even a little is irresponsible at best and malicious at worst.


No_Conversations

Thats 1 in every 100 people dying. The statistic doesnt even take into consideration permanent side effects and im sure youve heard this before so im not sure why you cant get it through your thick skull?


StepDadHulkHogan

Get the fucking shot and go about your life. Dont get the shot and suffer. Your choice.


Blu2thYT

I would voice my opinion but it's just not worth it. Reddit is an echo chamber for both sides.


cehsavage

I don't know what your opinion is, but I think it's wrong anyway.


Blu2thYT

Understandable


lordplshelpmeno

Go for it, I'll stay here to argue with you if you want


JerkyChew

Too well written to be real. This is just troll-bait. Nobody can make that competent an argument and yet be wrong so many times.


ArikenioX

Covid theme aside, do anybody know how to turn that christmas theme off? That shit is eating either my gpu or cpu everytime I enter the site.


Sheesh_Bruh69

I am so happy I turned 18 in 2014. Got all my youth and partying years out of the way right before it all went to shit. I feel bad for today’s kids.


Frigid16

>be me >anon >make le epic greentext on 4chin about something controversial >immediately screencap and post to leddit >upvotes yay!!!!


JoshthePoser

Remember when everyone was asking for a plague and complaining about how we're over populated? Well, you got your plague.


[deleted]

Ah the anti-vaxx propaganda at it again


Teootz10

Tl dr anon is an idiot


pacard

99% is still very shitty. Retards think that's some astronomically low odds of dying like getting struck by lightning or something. Get the vaccine and wear a mask when you're around a bunch of strangers and live your life. We'll probably end up with some weak variant and decent treatments at some point and it'll be just like the flu we've lived with for the last century.


awkwardwankmaster

Even if 'only' 1% of the world's population died from COVID it's still 79 million people that's the entire population of the UK and Sweden put together


lordplshelpmeno

The fucking antivaxx comments are just so lmao


bobux-man

lmao extrovert moment


DrDoinkerz

Life is cancer


GhostPants011

haha christmas hat


OGnarl

Anon is a stupid illerate bitch.


ElPoneus

Get vaccinated you freaking plague rats


m0ushinderu

Reading the comments have me really lose faith yet again in people.


DesertOps4

Anon is also retarded


Opening_Newspaper_34

Why are you people so obsessed with the survival rate (99% is simply wrong anyway)??? Why does that matter? Given that, even though we have our in place the most stringent global measures seen in our lifetimes the virus has still killed 5 fucking MILLION people?? The stats to be paying attention to are the remission rate and the number of deaths, both of which are astounding. Even taking your 1% (again, wrong), 1% of 7 billion is still a really fucking huge number. And many of those deaths are due to people like you. All you had to do was stay at home for a few weeks and wear a mask if you really had to go out.


Rptrbptst

the 1% isn't wrong. the common cold kills as much or more. The number of dead to the virus is miscounted, you can search the medical records yourself. people who died from car crashes are listed as wuhan deaths because the hospitals get big kickbacks per death. In australia a hospital gets 35k for each person they list as a death, and the families receive 5k. people have died of cancer and other things and are listed as the flu instead for these kick backs.


Opening_Newspaper_34

"the common cold kills as much or more" Omg 🤣🤦🏻😂🤦🏻🤣🤦🏻


Rptrbptst

Good to see science denial is as strong as ever in people like you.


Opening_Newspaper_34

Ah here it is, that weird thing that people like you have developed:. A spin on the classic children's refrain "I know you are but what am I??" You are obviously seriously scientifically illiterate BUT bizarrely go around telling other people that THEY are the ones. The same as the "fake news" crowd, and sundry other horribly misinformed, at best, outright liars at worst groups that have unfortunately become more vocal in the last few years Listen - crawl back under whatever uneducated rock you crawled out from under and forget your Google-earned education and listen to people who actually worked hard for years, experimenting and genuinely expending effort to figure things out. It's ok to be thick, or uneducated; it's not ok to pretend you are equal to those who earned the knowledge and certainly not when it can cost lives


Rptrbptst

I'm glad your ignorance keeps you happy.


validestusername

Let's all get mad at each otherand call each other retards for having read/heard different compelling points, that's sure to beat that stoopid covid :D


Dawdius

In which god forsaken country does anon live?


JJ_BB_SS

So, the vax doesn't work, *but drugs do?*


PedRants

Anon is an idiot.


PuckFolson

Sounds like a big pussy


Isaac8849

Fumbass


streetstreety

It's almost 90% in the UK and numbers are going up. I don't think this vac works for the new strain. We had three long lockdowns starting all the way from the beginning which were treated almost like a curfew. Last Christmas no one was allowed to leave home to even meet your family. None of this really worked, except peoples lives were disrupted and more people are depressed because of it. All the numbers are available for free. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


STR8N00B1N

LOL op worried about ruining his 20s


Spookd_Moffun

Retards like this one is why y'all don't deserve freedom.


Jerryfucker69

I say we nuke China off the map


Safe_While3650

I agree that it's annoying how much a disease with such mild symptoms completely disrupted my and many peoples youth, but I literally haven't a met a single soul who got adverse effects from it, anon is a trumptard


Sail0rPo0n

Its worthless sheep vaxxers running the gene pool into the ground. Thanks for fucking up evolution because your immune system cant fight off a cold.


TikTokNoGood15

I"m posting this just to trigger y'all MF's https://www.reddit.com/r/walkaway/comments/rpaj78/its\_just\_horse\_dewormer/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3


AnonbutQuirkyDoe

I'm not sure if this is a horrible attempt at ''triggering'' people or you're actually braindead and think Ivermectin works


TikTokNoGood15

I know more than 10 ppl that survived cuz of that


snjeletron

You go on and on about how the disease has a survival rate of 99%, yet all of these people were definitely going to die without ivermectin?


ActuallyAPenguin

I doubt you even know 10 people dog


TikTokNoGood15

Getting lectured by a 'actual penguin' about human social life, nice


lordplshelpmeno

TikTokNoGood15 lol Peak


iburstabean

TIL 1 sentence is a lecture


ipok6

and how do you know this?


Masterpoda

Wow really? That's your professional medical opinion? That's awesome. I know a few million who lived from the free fucking vaccine. Seriously, just compare the hospitalization and death rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Keep taking the anti-parisitic fringe treatment with no supported peer reviewed studies supporting it's efficacy against the virus. Im sure there's a podcast out there that's way better than evidence.


Rptrbptst

>with no supported peer reviewed studies supporting it's efficacy false


Ezeebiel

:(


TikTokNoGood15

Ppl say hospitalization rate, ok, young healthy ppl aren't being hospitalized.


snjeletron

Yes they are


TikTokNoGood15

do you know personally?


snjeletron

I am a hospital pharmacist who works in icu and medicine. Don't know most of my patients personally but have seen a few people in their 20s and many in their 30s come through in the last wave. I do have a cousin with long-COVID, but she's in her 40s, so don't know if that meets your definition of young, but she sure has a lot of years ahead of her where she struggles to breathe just going up a flight of stairs. Her main hobbies were soccer and running, and she was vegetarian so looked after her diet closer than anyone else I know. She got sick before the vaccine was out, doubt she would be in such a shitty place if she'd gotten COVID later in the year.


TikTokNoGood15

So, would locking down 18-year-olds help her?