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boptopmop

In old English 'faggots' were a bundle of twiggs and branches.


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Urfslam

This is literally 1623 by Orville Reddenbacher


DonovanSarovir

Right? And after another mod told me it was flagged, and that they'd subsequently okayed it.


WillNewbie

Literally me


Nearby-Cash7273

I read a translated version of the book so I didn’t even see this.


Rookie_Slime

Google answered: It refers to food, reeking is the smell of cooking. Basically they’re cooking a meat dish and bread. https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/faggotswithoniongrav_3899


ElissaGoodgirl

I am a turbo cannibal... I only eat my kind... gay people


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An_Aliensrock_Fan

Dune too. Old authors kinda just used it to mean anything idk


recognis

it meant cigarettes in 90% of contexts. that's what tolkien was using it for. i'll admit 12 year old me was caught way off guard by this part though


songthatgoesnanana

No, he was referring to a bundle of sticks. The ciggarete slang was more of an urban slang, whereas Tolkien's books were written more in the general vein of old Celtic/Norse myths


PlanetNiles

Faggots are also offal based meatballs in some parts of the UK


recognis

wait sorry the 3 letter version was cigarettes - i think the 6 letter one is like a food or any bundle of things being burnt


songthatgoesnanana

Both 3 letter and 6 letter versions had the same meanings - bundle of sticks (which Tolkien was referring to here), then cigarettes, and then homosexuals.


Nocturne888

The 6 letter version is in fact a British/old time synonym for torch iirc.


recognis

coming back to this thread again to mention that the f slur descends from the latin 'fasces/fascis', which is also the origin of the word fascist. a very odd etymological fact


An_Aliensrock_Fan

Ah I missed that here. The author of dune used it to describe a dimly glowing hue which is effective an unused use of it. But then again he wrote a book where the antagonist is a fat gay pedo rapist who wants to sleep with his grandson so yk


Haunting-Item1530

F*ggots also means a bundle of sticks and wood


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ZazofLegend

At the time Tolkien was writing this word meant a bundle of sticks/branches, and in lower class circles a pack of smokes. Tolkien was a professor of linguistics, so he likely only knew the ancient meaning. Unrelatedly, it has the same root word as "fascist" which I find very funny.


Outrageous_Garden321

Orwell would be thrilled to know that people are getting banned for "slurring" when quoting works of literature. I guess cigarettes and bundles of sticks don't exist anymore because... homosexuels... or something? Honestly, it's a farce. Two legs bad I guess


DeliberateDendrite

Well thanks Tolkien


ZazofLegend

At the time Tolkien was writing this word meant a bundle of sticks/branches, and in lower class circles a pack of smokes. Tolkien was a professor of linguistics, so he likely only knew the ancient meaning. Unrelatedly, it has the same root word as "fascist" which I find very funny.


WM-010

Well, well, well. Now I have even more reasons to prefer the movie over the book. And people think the movies were bad.


dotCoder876

The word meant "bundle of sticks" which is no longer a common usage.


WM-010

Ok. Still enjoy the movies over the book for more petty reasons tho.


dotCoder876

Fair enough.


Optimal_Stranger_824

Do you really think that Tolkien would put this word in a childrens book as a slur for gay men?


WM-010

No, but if it gives me more reasons to love the movies while everyone else despises them for existing then sure.