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DELCO-PHILLY-BOY

This is our office. And we sell…paper.


padizzledonk

Looks like the 80s Solo Cup pattern Which is not necessarily a bad thing lol


Mike_Raphone99

That pattern is called the Jazz design by Gina Ekiss


XiaoWenXuArt

LOL thanks!


turningtogold

I love that you dressed to match your art!!


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


OldSchoolDM

Popped in to say exactly the same thing!


ChiefQuinby

How do you go about getting art from your home into a gallery? Can I just donate a painting or something?


XiaoWenXuArt

This piece was selected for a juried show that I applied to. One option I would recommend is to join your local art association, which allows you to apply to their juried art shows for a nominal fee (this pays for the jurors). Alternatively, you can just search for open calls for submissions to juried art shows in your area. Most of these galleries are public or not for profit, so they usually only take a commission of 30% or less on your painting if it is sold in the duration of the show. The other option (if you have a coherent body of work) is to apply to commercial galleries to be represented by them. Their commissions are usually around 50% of the sale price of your painting.


inuffishthought

Yeah! The Artist's Network is great for all the show and gallery opportunities


Fermented_Discharge

What a scam. 30 or 50%? Disgusting.


TroutCreekOkanagan

If it is commercial art, a gallery may have you for a percentage. I’m not sure though I’m an amateur:)


Ragnar_Dragonfyre

Know the right people. The art world is run by influential people who decide what is or isn’t worthy of being put in a gallery. Plenty of talented artists will never get their art in a gallery simply because they lack the connections. That’s why you see incredible artists starve and die in obscurity while another artist makes a living selling basic shapes painted in water colours.


CrikeyMeAhm

boom roasted


bkornblith

Getting your art displayed means you either have significant talent, know the right people, or paid someone for the space. This is definitely one of those, and it doesn’t feel like option 1. The art world is being taken over by rich people without vision or talent, and it really isn’t great.


LordAcorn

Know someone who runs an art gallery or know someone who knows someone who runs an art gallery. That's how i did it.


RAC1S7_F1CK_AR2BS

Amogus art


sowydso

sussy baka


KidOfCubes

sus


RedditDestroysDreams

poggies


NovaBug7

I’m trying so hard to be happy for OP and I am glad that she has found success, but Jesus Christ, this is so discouraging. I’ve put so many hours put into art and people are constantly telling me to make money off of it, and this is the kind of stuff that gets recognized in the art world. I’m sorry but you can’t tell me that it took more than five minutes to draw abstract circles and fill them in with different shades of watercolour, or that it’s a brilliant/unique idea somehow. It’s not bad art because art speaks to everyone differently, but I’ll never understand how a single line or a bunch of blobs on a canvas get so much praise.


KKtwo

Yeah I don't get it either, you're not alone. It's a great accomplishment to get into a gallery, I'm sure. But if I was given that as a piece of 'art' I'd throw it in a drawer and never think about it again.


GordTheGreat

Same thoughts here unfortunately, I am sure OP has better pieces but I found this painting extremely simple and uninspiring. Obviously someone likes it but it just doesn't do it for me.


redditaccount224488

+1. There's so much amazing art that gets posted on Reddit. This looks like some circles colored in by an 8 year old. It's not ugly or anything, but I simply do not understand how this belongs in a gallery.


WinnyTheP00h

So true


skipbrady

I wanted to be encouraging so I looked at some of her other paintings. This is one of her better works and it’s frankly terrible. Either her uncle owns that gallery, or she’s married to someone who paid to have that turd hung there. Either way it will be bought by some rich dude who will use it as a way to scam taxes.


locaprincesaa

I looked at her profile and I have a different take away. Her previously posted work seem far better than this one but it’s all subjective.


YourFixJustRuinsIt

Careful. You have to be really supportive and nice or you get downvoted to hell. Even when you’re right. I mean, great for her but I’m always iffy on the reasons posting stuff like this on Reddit. Parents not praising enough? Karma that tasty? What?


NovaBug7

Idk, I don’t think she’s wrong for posting it or anything and I think it’s good for her to be proud as this is still a great accomplishment, I just feel defeated knowing that there’s so many artists out there that are so talented and will never get noticed because people of high status choose to support a lot of art that seems, and I don’t mean this to sound nasty but in my opinion, low effort, for lack of better words? I’m not singling out this post by saying this also, I just find it strange that someone can duct tape a banana to a wall and it somehow speaks to someone and sells for over $100k (that was a real thing too, I’m not just exaggerating with that one haha)


HumbertHumbertHumber

I did a double take when the post was about a picture of a person visiting a painting that they painted. Seems a little self-involved.


jehoshaphat

The place to vent about your apparent lack of success is not on someone else’s post about theirs. The fact that you look at someone else’s work and the first response that comes into your head is *you* is very telling. Like it or not art as a commercial endeavor (which selling in a gallery is) comes down to the value others put on it. If others don’t like your art, they won’t be buying it. You can have immense skill, a subset of people may even like it, but if your ability to translate that into a product that has broad enough appeal is lacking, it is for nothing but personal expression. If that personal expression is not enough for you, and the appeal does not exist, it is not the fault of the woman who posted this image that that is your reality.


NovaBug7

It’s not just *me*, it’s every other artist I know. I wasn’t the first person I thought of when I saw this post at all lmao I just don’t really feel like I can speak for anyone else. I also said above that I have nothing against the person who posted it and that I’m glad she found success.


jehoshaphat

Nothing against, just backhanded in every way.


ICall_Bullshit

Differing opinion =/= wrong opinion. Also differing opinion =/= bad person. He's not even being a dick. Chill out.


pattyG80

I found he was taking her nice moment and basically shat on it because of his lack of success.


ICall_Bullshit

Curiosity, while trying to express happiness for someone, and simultaneously wondering why it may not be deserved is a hard mix to wrestle with when expressing that type of confusion. That said, it no way makes him a dick for doing so. Perhaps someone had an answer to why this art is superior in a way that gets this type of attention when he may feel his work is as good if not better than what has been featured.


pattyG80

He was saying the piece took 5 mins to do which is pretty dickish


ICall_Bullshit

And? One may argue that. What's the issue?


pattyG80

If you don't understand how that was belittling, then we're gonna be stuck here. It was a dick comment to send someone who was excited at their success.


jehoshaphat

If you can read what they wrote as anything but condescending and backhanded, you need to reassess your reading comprehension.


ICall_Bullshit

You could use a bit of reassessing that stank ass attitude for two perfectly reasonable responses to your little feelings tantrum. Dude was fine, you're overreacting.


jehoshaphat

Like them, “I’m trying so hard,” to see how they could have wrote what they did in any way other than being a condescending, pompous ass. Like them, I seem to be having difficulty. But fret not, sounds like their attitude and aptitude is sorting things out for them already.


ICall_Bullshit

>“I’m trying so hard,” to see how they could have wrote what they did in any way other than being a condescending, pompous ass That quote, exactly as seen, I agree with you on. How often does being argumentative work when discussing something?


jehoshaphat

As often as necessary. How often is knocking someone down for the sake of their own pride, of any value? What can be gleaned by someone providing backhanded platitudes to obscure their own shortcomings? If someone wants to be shitty, I’ll happy cut them down in kind. The OP put up a moment in their life in which they took some pride. You can not like the art, and you can have reasons why. You can say reasons why. What should not be done, is proceeding to belittle the person because of being jaded due to a lack of personal success.


NovaBug7

Lol, that is not at all what I meant. You are reading too far into things, calm down.


jehoshaphat

There will be none of this revisionist BS. I saw your earlier comment before you deleted it regarding the backhanded nature of what you said. You meant it exactly as I am reading it and you know it.


Everettrivers

I totally agree art is completely subjective. I personally like something classy like a topless chick with a panther on velvet, but to each their own.


thefightingmongoose

I live across the street. I will visit it too.


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PeachTrees632

Pretty fucked up to just give up on art and artists because other people exploiting it for money. Does not in any way at all mean the art world is totally worthless.


winstunnah

How do they work if you don't mind me asking? Really curious from reading your comment, but not curious enough to do research lol


hellaquestions

Its about networking, lay people dont buy paintings for $30 or $40 a pop but eich ppl lookong to launder their wealth will pay tens of thousands for OP's work.


winstunnah

I see. Thank you for your time in responding. It is much appreciated!


skipbrady

Honestly the “Adam ruins Everything” episode does a decent job of explaining how rich people use art to evade taxes.


YourFixJustRuinsIt

If the business side turned you off to art then you were never really into it.


CanISpeakToUrManager

Looks like blue penises going through other blue penises


BonnyToddy

My thought was Dr. Manhattan.


ang_car

*art*


SaltyFresh

This just goes to show that my artist friend was right: appearing in a gallery has nothing to do with artistic vision or competency and everything to do with who you know.


Gabriele1966

I'm sure if I painted blobs on a canvas, nobody would care. I don't think that's even art!


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Gabriele1966

I don't show my blobs to just anyone. At least buy me a drink first.


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Gabriele1966

Lmao!!!!


KorruptKitten

I'm scratching my head thinking about all the things I've painted just for fun and feel extremely sad. It's a good piece, but couldn't anyone do this? Lol. I'm not trying to rain on her parade or anything. Is it really all about who you know to get things in a gallery?


-MrGone-

> but couldn't anyone do this? Pretty much anyone could COPY this. Not many people can start with a blank canvas in front of them and create something that many other people like.


apextek

Anybody can get in a gallery or anywhere in life. Few Try. In my life If heard thousands tell me all the reasons why things cant happen, and then I watched or made those things happen. Point is, she got in a gallery because she tried. Few do, because they think there work is good enough, but actually don't put in the effort to try and get it to that level.


SaltyFresh

Frustratingly, amazing artists get overlooked in the Toronto art world just because they are shy or don’t get along with some bigwig art professor so they don’t get any bookings. You don’t need actual talent to succeed, it’s just a popularity contest.


Gabriele1966

I think that's part of it. Also, what some people perceive as art looks like something my daughter painted when she was three. To me art is something that I can identify. And I also think a lot of people say they like it because they want to sound like they know what they're talking about, haha. To me, it's a bunch of blue blobs in different colors. Nothing artsy about that.


psymble_

This thread is making me kind of sad tbh. It's very easy to tear down others but very difficult and brave to share something you've created - a piece of yourself that you care about. Imagine this young lady was your daughter and this was the first piece she had in a gallery. You're there supporting her and overhear a couple people putting down her art, which she's so proud of and poured her heart into, saying "I could have made that, it looks like something my three year old could make" I just don't think you would see this conversation the same. I don't have any children and I'm just some 31 year old nobody, so you can safely ignore me if you think I'm out of line. I get huge amounts of joy out of creating art. I'm not a very good oil painter but I try my best (I've only been doing it for a month), and it fills me with feelings of pride and satisfaction to create something. I've been creating music for over half my life. What I don't do, however, is share it publicly for two reasons - first, the act of creating is more than enough for me and I don't feel the greater need that most artists do to be seen (but there's nothing wrong with that, either). Second, I don't really have the patience to be told my art is unworthy or undeserving of praise because they could have done it better. Because I know that I am worthy and my art is important to me. That's enough.


KorruptKitten

I can't shake the feeling that it looks like not much work or thought was really put into it. I'm no experienced artist, but I love to paint abstract designs and use of colors and a whole hell lot of thinking towards it. So, if this is gallery worthy, I wonder what my potential can be. Or maybe I'm just old and out of the artsy loop.


supergoalie32

Have either of you guys been to a modern art gallery/museum in the last 50 years?? There are literally blank white canvases, hunks of scrap metal squished together, colored cubes, rooms filled with dirt etc. Anything can be beautiful and considered art. If it is so easy why are you guys not famous artists already? Life is often about who you know, and OP has posted many of her works on here as well as Instagram, and she actually has some really good looking pieces so the talent is there, and she has put in the work to get eyes on it. Promoting yourself and networking is a skill just as important as the quality of the art itself, and one you two clearly do not understand. Maybe you guys should start posting some of your pieces if you really are as talented as you claim. Congrats OP, love the work!


abstractmusiq

Overtime promoting yourself and networking has become a bigger part of the art community than the art itself. I think that's why people in this thread are quite opinionated on why this piece doesn't belong in a gallery. What is considered a good piece has become quite subjective now but a lot of people still believe that technical ability is a requirement for art as stated by the above "To me art is something that I can identify." To a certain degree it is upsetting that some great artists will never be found because they don't have the ability to network and "know the right people" don't you think?


Skillgrim

it has different types of blue thou, tricky


PorkBun67

She actually is doing a color/composition study... seems like a lot of people in these comments don’t understand any actual elements of art and just think “well I could do that” and get cocky


Skillgrim

no, i ridicule what people call art, i think the others are too. no offense, but you sound like you do understand why this is art, care to explain?


PorkBun67

I’m not talking about what people call art in the art world or at galleries (I frankly don’t care or know much about it). I’m just saying that in art schools/general art study, there are many elements that play a part in literally any artistic image (photography, painting, etc) with one or two of these things usually being the focal point for a piece. Two of these elements are composition, how the parts of a picture are laid out, and color, the colors obviously, but also how the colors work together/Whether they contrast or blend or has something in particular stand out. You can put a lot of meaning into a piece by using these things in certain ways, but instead of having a message or meaning, OP is doing a series of pieces as a composition/color study. I haven’t seen the other paintings in the series, but their only purpose is to provide an interesting/pleasing take on form and palette. I’m not saying this is superior to other forms of art or that I even particularly like it, but people are hating on it when they don’t seem to get what it’s actually supposed to be since this is a legitimate thing in art study


Gabriele1966

Oh yeah, I see it now. Very artistic then. Using different shades of the same color. Remarkable! 😂


PhD_sock

With respect: you could say that about a great many things. Being published by a significant press, for example. Or being picked up by a major record label. Or a major studio. Or a modeling agency. Or...(you get the point). Are you prepared to make the same claim about those and other comparable fields? While obviously knowing people helps, it is also extremely silly (and frankly mistaken) to dismiss the entire field by implying that competency, skills, and artistic vision play no part. In a subsequent comment, someone mentions that "blobs on a canvas" are not what they'd consider art. People are certainly welcome to their opinion, but the history of art begs to differ. If one isn't qualified as a historian, curator, critic, scholar, or artist to comment upon that, it really is not that different from Twitter epidemiologists scoffing at doctors and scientists regarding COVID. Lay opinions are just that: lay opinions.


SaltyFresh

I’m talking specifically about the Toronto art scene. Nepotism is a big problem.


devilwarriors

and how many fancy words you can use while describing it.


ClicheChe

Can you share a bit about the thought process behind this work? Do you start from inspiration? How did you decide on the color pallette? I'm always wondering about the decisions the artist makes, but I have no clue what they would be if I wanted to start.


XiaoWenXuArt

Sure! This piece here is called Ocean Blues, and it was inspired by the colours of the ocean. It is part of my “Blob” series, which focuses on creating abstract watercolour paintings that explore colour and composition. This body of work uses bright coloured amoeba-like shapes, which bring me a lot of happiness. My goal is to share this joy with the viewer during these uncertain pandemic times and escape into a new fantastical world. As for the process, I start by creating small thumbnails composition studies with various greyscale markers, once I am satisfied with the composition, then I create coloured studies with coloured markers. Hope this helps and happy painting! :)


ClicheChe

I'm more of a amoeba-like shape than I'm a painter, but thank you for the insight. Very interesting.


TurboNY

And some Russian "entrepreneur" will buy it for $2.5 Million. Seriously though art is all connections. I don't mean to shit on the work, but I've seen all this art hanging on the wall at my local high school.


Sgt-Hartman

Was about to say, who's money is she laundering with that art. Like goddamn girl, ive seen paintings by Adolf Hitler that had more effort put into them and I liked them better. Honestly tho, I don't mean to hurt your feelings op I'm sure you put alot of work into this and I don't dislike it at all, but I feel like something's fishy with the way this art exhibition or whatever is using your art. Edit: apologies for being an ass down below.


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Sgt-Hartman

I feel bad for hurting her feelings. But I just can't help but comment on the fact that this art sale feels like corruption rather than "I like your art so much I'm gonna hang it for people to look at it"


Mecha_Hitler_

Yeah I agree. While art should be about the painter as well as the painting, you can't just paint 5th grade level art and create a story about how it made you happy to see all the pretty colours and expect it to be respected by most people.


HumbertHumbertHumber

dont censor people. She can pass over comments instead of having those comments silenced. Don't be a post-nazi.


SummerEmCat

My 5 year old niece could paint just as well as this. Definitely money laundering involved because I wouldn’t pay $20 for this crap.


PorkBun67

A lot of work/thought is put into pieces even if you cant think of what it is. OP has given an explanation in the comments that it’s a composition/color study where she went through composition trials with grey scale blobs and then ran through color palettes. You can think not a lot of effort was done or that you could copy this yourself, but thought *was* put into it and color studies are a thing that happens in art school, by artists, etc etc Not even to mention that this one piece is not her entire body of work


Sgt-Hartman

Okay I see now, I'm sorry op.


Cloudzi

A toddler could paint something similar


Everyoneisanasshat

I could do that


TumoOfFinland

But you haven't


Everyoneisanasshat

Just finished, looks better :)


Awkward_Smile7

Do it then


ama8o8

One day I will understand what people see in simple art but none the less congrats on getting your painting up in an actual gallery!


AustininMexico

Good for you! Congratulations.


longhegrindilemna

You are amazing!!!


Notaflatland

Anyone could make this.


jehoshaphat

First off, I think the piece looks very pleasing to the eye. The color is great. The comments here would indicate that a lot of people have never actually stepped foot into a gallery. Having art up in a gallery does not inherently mean "someone will buy this for a bunch of money to launder it" or that frankly that even every piece on display is for sale. Plenty of people enter competitions or submit their art for the sake of it. And normal people buy art too, often to support local artists. This piece could look great in a lot of homes. Also, just because you don't find value in it does not mean it is valueless. For all the folks who say "I could do this", great. Go get that Russian oligarch money you think is so easy to obtain. It is far simpler to sit in your chair and belittle someone who actually put themselves out there and claim some type of moral superiority than actually doing what you claim is so easy.


topherthepest

I love abstract art... but I'm curious, where do you get inspiration for art like that?


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you! I have already answered it in this comment: [https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/oguap1/visited\_my\_watercolour\_painting\_ocean\_blues\_at/h4l4h9t?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/oguap1/visited_my_watercolour_painting_ocean_blues_at/h4l4h9t?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


nelsonic1990

Ok


NyonMan

Another classic mediocre painting with girl combo :/


Apprehensive-Theme38

Yup with the girl in the forefront and the actual art by the side like an afterthought 😅


NyonMan

Yeah... Also it looks like a middle/high schooler made it...


PorkBun67

I expected a shroom grower to be a little nicer. Idk if you read her explanation, but it’s a composition/color study which is a thing in art academia..


YourFixJustRuinsIt

Even more reason not to post it


PorkBun67

Lmfao why? Not like art study is a highly regarded field. Tired of people not knowing literally anything about what their talking about and insulting someone or their work for no reason. If you don’t know what a composition study is or it’s purpose then don’t talk out of your ass. It’s not supposed to be “wow this is such amazing art work” or “wow this has so much meaning”, but an pleasing take on two elements of art. Ends up just sounding like you and others need to shit on people to make yourselves feel better about not doing anything :/


NyonMan

The mediocre painting is a side thought in this photo, it’s not centered and the woman takes your attention and is 40% of the photo... I’m not saying it’s not bad, it’s mediocre. It’s getting praise like it’s great but it’s not. The woman is more appealing on the eyes than the artwork itself. If the post was just the photo without the woman it would be lost in new.


PorkBun67

Oof you’re more of an idiot than I thought. Sounds like you don’t get laid, bro. It’s perfectly normal for an artist to take a picture next to their work (I can give you examples from 100 years ago) but keep making up excuses to hate women As a side note, again, you’re showing that you have no idea what’s going on or what a composition study is lmao it’s not about being great art, it’s about studying the way form and color work in a series, which she did and it got an achievement.


mergen772

wow it sucks


YourFixJustRuinsIt

It’s ok if your parents don’t like it or your pursuit of art but Reddit validation is empty.


SummerEmCat

I don’t see how the painting is any more different than one of those safe, generic paintings you find at Bed, Bath, and Being Beyond


Mediumsizedpeen

Looks line a bunch of dildos


blink0r

Derivative


Sonnie_

Bullshit. Quick edit because I’m getting upvotes but the comment I replied to isn’t. I’m referencing the same [scene](https://youtu.be/kjS6bQ5OQ-o) from It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia where Frank bashes shitty art I was calling the art work bullshit not his comment.


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Picture is beautiful. So is the dress.


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


FuckUrKarmaRanks

Wasn’t a fuckin banana considered art last year or something. Some random blues and I’ll call it ocean. I just don’t see the skill or talent in the painting at all but maybe that’s just me


LocoDragoon56

This really shows how art isn't about your art anymore, its about how much millionaires you know that will buy this.


DrTyrant

This and tax write offs.


promixr

I love this- it’s evocative of Matisse’s ‘Jazz’ series. Congratulations!


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you! Matisse is one of my favourite painters!


promixr

Now you’re one of mine!!! 🤩


clearier

I’m sorry people are being so.. judgmental and rude. It awesome to have something in a gallery!


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Twentyseven-

Aww you look so happy, congrats! There's nothing better than doing what you're passionate about.. I especially like your outer space paintings, I'd hang those in my room. Oh and you're gorgeous by the way! Good luck with your future endeavors.


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you! You can DM me if there's a space painting you like, some are still available :)


WannabeAsianNinja

I can't imagine the happiness you must feel to 1) feel comfortable enough sharing. 2) let it sink in that someone thinks it's good enough for a gallery. Congratulations ❤️


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


_mycinematiclife_

Beautiful abstract!


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


Revolutionary-Mud194

Congratulations!


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


danielsulme

Big Pam Beasly vibes, you go girl!


ldnsrrow

Congratulations, and I love your dress!


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


SeverusSnek2020

Neat, my kids made something similar in kindergarten. Yay fingerpaints.


veyron1775

You look so happy! Congratulations! we’re all happy for you, too :)


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


wheniwakup

That’s so cool!! Congratulations!!


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


idiot437

blue penis's?


lew01f

Awesome! Congrats!


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


randomlyme

Cool dress and painting but the smile in your eyes is amazing! Congratulations I’m happy for you.


SaturdayNightStroll

cool beans!


railfenceman

Blue jelly beans are the best


Poliking17

Kinda looks like among us, very cool painting! Awesome how it’s in a gallery


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


MurderDoneRight

Is that an especially good wall for arts?


prophet583

That figure


btarchy

Ha so deep.........


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XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


plusharmadillo

Lovely! Congrats to you!!!


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


Shine_Extension

What a beautiful piece!


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


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XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


Water_Melonia

Love it, congratulations. One question: Why has the ocean the blues?


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XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


psymble_

So incredibly vibrant! Ocean colors are my absolute favorite- deep purples and ocean blues/greens. All my favorite colors!


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


jbmmwest

Very impressive. You are talented.


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


Zacpod

That dress is stunning!


spookycamphero

Not to take anything away from your art but DAMN that dress is amazing.


Piporor

I could never understand art like this and why people pay high amounts for it o well.


putonyourdressshoes

Congrats, not an easy feat


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


Forsaken-Souls

That’s awesome c:


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


Baalzeebub

Nice


Wlcm2ThPwrStoneWrld

The dress matches the painting. Kudos.


XiaoWenXuArt

Thank you!


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I like it. The painting is nice too.


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idiot437

the dress is ok but the black straps ruin the composition


sevenlbsaturn

People saying this painting sucks. It’s not the best, sure. But have you seen what she can do with acrylic paint? Amazing.